MANIPULATIVE people...how do you deal with them?

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Gianna, don’t worry so much. There are ways to deal with manipulators and some are more harsh, while some are less harsh and this doesn’t necessarily mean that the harsher ways are better. You may need to be adamant, but you may also at all times be polite. There’s practically nothing that couldn’t be said politely.

“Dear [Insert_Name], I know what you are telling [Insert_Group_of_People] about me. Those things are not true. I ask that you stop saying that.”

Remember that people who talk ill of you in return for not complying with their requests do so in secret. They won’t do it in your face and they don’t want it to be any open affair. If you tell them you know what they do, the secrecy is lost. Maybe they won’t say they’re sorry, but they’ll likely stop doing what they’ve been doing. You don’t need to make the discussion long, it just has to sink in. In fact, you may as well politely finish the conversation afterwards.

When someone claims he can’t do something but you can, so he needs your help:

“I could do that for you, but I could also teach you to do it on your own so that you can.”

And then if they decline, they won’t probably insist you do it because that will make them look lazy or abusive. Or perhaps it just doesn’t matter so much to them if they don’t want to learn.

“May I borrow your this and that.” “Of course. You know, I’ve seen one for a good price at [Insert_Shop]” or “I could help you pick one.”

Then they will know that you’re serious about the idea that they shouldn’t keep borrowing it forever.

As for other requests, a firm no is a good treat, I think, but I somehow don’t like the, “no because no,” kind of replies. There’s one thing I dislike more: fake excuses. While I will sometimes resort to, “no because no,” I think fake excuses are just not to be done. They’re socially acceptable, but I believe the gain isn’t worth the falsehood involved. One may not tell them everything or one may want to keep his reasons to himself, but when one gives an excuse, I would make it feasible and real, something which is a factor. And preferably the factor. You can tell people you’re tired or you’d prefer to do something different or you have your own affairs to look to, or you have made other plans.

Then, when they start reviewing your plans you can remind them that your plans are yours to make and that they don’t need their approval because you’re on an equal standing with them, not lower. This may sound upfront, but perhaps it might strike them that yeah, heureka, they aren’t your bosses and they aren’t meant to judge which of your priorities are more important than others. You can also gently point out that you don’t assess their own priorities, nor do you review their plans. That’s an argument that speaks to some people… I hope.

If nothing works, you can try cold hard logic and painstaking explanations. “You know that asking me and waiting for me takes less time than doing it on your own?” “Have you noticed that looking it up on your own takes less effort than contacting me to ask about it?” and so on. Just make sure you don’t hurt a person who is really tired, not up to date with technology, less talented than you are, and so on.

And from time to time, perhaps it might be a good idea to do something for someone which isn’t really needed, which does cost you, which the person could probably do in his own, albeit with more effort than you would have to put in it. I would try this in order to keep some sort of human sensitivity and compassion. Being assertive sometimes may indeed mean being cruel. We shouldn’t be cruel.
 
Lots of little devices and psychological warfare tricks can help.

Caller ID and an answering machine. Let the machine take their calls.

Whenever they confront you in person, always smile and nod. That way you are seen by others as being pleasant. Let the manipulator rant and rave. Let the others see the manipulator as being unpleasant. Then smile and say “it doesn’t work for me.”.

If someone wants you to join them in some activity that you have no desire to participate in, just tell them to go on ahead and that you will catch up later. And then just go your own way.

If it’s a “major” issue [they want to borrow your car or want you to co-sign a loan], just say something pleasant like: “Sorry, no can do”. “My insurance doesn’t let me do that.” "The last time someone asked me about that, my attorney said ‘no way, Jose’ ".

The other tactic is avoidance. Just minimize verbal and in-person contact.

Someone once asked me why I didn’t join a certain organization, and I said, “I don’t need a reason.”

It left them baffled.

[It was a fine organization, but I was already overcommitted. Which is another great tactic: “I’m alrady overcommitted and on the edge of burnout.” ]

“If you have a few minutes let me tell you about my schedule.” And then, regardless of the circumstances, give them the longest shaggy dog story you can come up with. [and then she said, and then I said … and go onto as many really boring tangents as you can until their toes curl. Include your last four supermarket trips and why you like or dislike going to Home Depot or Loews and which is better.

Or, if you have the time, bore them to tears. Occasionally I take a solicitation call, and talk at them for 15 minutes about every darned thing. Jehovah Witnesses have STOPPED coming to our house.

OH, BY THE WAY, DID I TELL YOU ABOUT my last surgery/blood donation (cookies or donuts?)/urinanalysis/ innoculation/ other medical thingee?

👍

[I once wrote a couple of pages of polite ways to say “no”, but I saved it onto one of those old 8" diskettes, and there aren’t any more of those machines around any more.]

By the way, did I tell you how I picked out the computer I have now. It’s kind of a long story …
 
never say “maybe” or “later” to these people, they always take it as a “yes, you promised” (kids do this too sometimes).
 
wrong sentence
it should read
NO, I can’t do it.
no excuses, no explanations, no inlet for another question.
But why?
because it is not possible for me to do it.
Why
Because I can’t I’m sorry this discussion is over unless you would like to talk about the weather or the superbowl.
:rotfl: That’s funny!

I had neigbors back in PA–I personally thought that the wife was not interested in a friendship with me, which is fine–but had no problem knocking on my door a few times per week to watch her children. One day, she asked us to watch her children at 5am on a Sunday so she could take a job (she owned her own cleaning business) and she needed her husband to come with her. That was the final deal. I finally had to draw some boundaries…and like you said, annie, just said…no, I can’t. Funny, she never asked me for another thing–and rarely spoke to me…

I don’t need ‘friends’ like that.😉 I wish them well, but it hurts when people want to just use you–I remember reading though, that from a Christian perspective, we are to just always help people out…I dunno. I wasn’t getting up at 4:30 am to go over there to watch kids on a Sunday. I found the request unreasonable.
 
Hang in there, Gianna.

I have a skill that nowadays is like being a doctor or a lawyer- network tech. I have people who think because I am no longer working at a paying job, I can fix their computer any old time they want. I also have people who thought it should be no biggie for me to help them out when I did work full time. They let their kids get on the PC without firewall, filters, and rules. Some of these people are worse than end-users at a business. One woman called another woman on a weekend, looking for my phone number, so I could go shopping with her and her husband to buy a new computer. I am not kidding! Two others let her kids on the PC without F,F&R not once, but twice, and wanted service (as in, “chop, chop”).

If “No, I can’t” or “No, I’m sorry” don’t work- I’d ignore them, block them, and just don’t answer until they treat you better. My other line might not work in your situation: “I charge $25 an hour, three hour minimum. That is half off my normal rate. When may I schedule your appointment?”
 
Sometimes you really just have to cut people out of your life for awhile.Manipulators get in the “habit” of using another person; they are friendly to you to obtain the favor, money, car, service, or whatever they are using you for.While you are providing they are taking.You really are allowed (as a good Catholic) to choose who you will and will not associate with.As for confession you can’t loose by going.
 
Sometimes when I say no and pushy people ask me what I am so busy doing, I say, “I’m building a bird cage”. You know, the old “ask a a stupid question, get a stupid answer”.
 
Sometimes when I say no and pushy people ask me what I am so busy doing, I say, “I’m building a bird cage”. You know, the old “ask a a stupid question, get a stupid answer”.
This is a funny thread! When you think about it–building a bird cage would take a loooooooong time.😃
 
If you feel harassed in any way or if they are effecting your relationship with any other people (most especially at work) then you need to save every scrap of interaction with them. For example, any harassing voicemails need to be saved.

Also, if they are approaching you in person, always, always always have a witness. Never be alone with the person who is badgering you. Remain calm, quiet and physically warm (such as a smile) the entire time.

People who gossip can kick it up a notch. If someone speaks badly about you, that can ruin your life. If it’s happening in the workplace you also have plenty of legal recourse.
 
Do you have anyone close to you who can help you stick up for yourself? I had a huge issue a few years ago with a family member and my husband really put his foot down and set things straight. Yes, it was difficult and painful. But being my husband (and not a family member) he had a unique perspective on the entire situation. My allegience will always be to my spouse and my children. Friends and family members are lower on the totem pole.

Good luck. Pray and talk to someone who you trust.
 
Sometimes when I say no and pushy people ask me what I am so busy doing, I say, “I’m building a bird cage”. You know, the old “ask a a stupid question, get a stupid answer”.
👍 🙂

I have a varient of this - I respond to their question with “Why do you ask?” If they answer with a statement, I just say “Oh.” and let the conversation end there if I can. If they respond with a question, I keep responding “Why do you ask?” until they get really tired of it.
 
I was scrolling through some of this and had the thought [aided and abetted and triggered by a television program I saw the other night about serial killers] 😦 to wit that some manipulative people may be … how to put this delicately … mentally ill … sociopathic … mildly, perhaps not of the serial-killer-magnitude. But many of these folks will not be put off by clever evasions.

So the best way is to cut them off. Don’t return their calls. Avoid them. And be blunt … “Sorry, no can do.” All other entreaties being met with a shaking of the head and a shrugging of the shoulders. If they persist, then it’s total bluntness: “What part of the word “no” do you not understand”.
 
I have had such a problem and it is encouraging to see that I am not the only one who has endured such a person.
While other advice here is good you should start praying. We are told to pray even for our enemies, so I think you should also pray for them and as well as for your own situation. That may even be the best single thing you could do.
 
I have had such a problem and it is encouraging to see that I am not the only one who has endured such a person.
While other advice here is good you should start praying. We are told to pray even for our enemies, so I think you should also pray for them and as well as for your own situation. That may even be the best single thing you could do.
Prayer for that person is the best. And after that, prayer for ourselves and our families to be able to get through our trials.

At daily Mass one day, the priest in his homily stated that we must love everyone … but we don’t have to love them a lot.

So, if we have responsibilities … we have to make sure the person has access to food, clothing and shelter. But we are not responsible for providing them with a punching bag. We are not responsible for providing room service or food on Limoge dishes, or white chocolate and only white chocolate (not the brown kind). Catering to unreasonable demands is not required. We cannot force people to eat or to not sleep under a bridge, if that is their choice. But also they have no right to demand we cater to their whims. If people are mentally ill, they deserve institutionalization, although most states have abolished that protection and thrown these people out to fend for themselves. That is a sin by our elected representatives and self-proclaimed “experts”.

One time I had someone refuse to work for what he called “chump change” … which as it turned out was more than what I was earning and living nicely on. I’m not requried to subsidize someone’s “lifestyle” so that they live better than I do.

If that person is an adult, then we cannot allow that person to compromise our own marriage/spouse/minor children. So keeping a damaging person at arm’s length is self protection.

Worst case, call 911 and explain there is a social work emergency. The police are accustomed to this. They will take the person to a hospital for a psych evaluation. And then there are mechanisms for custodial care.

In the case of an abusive friend, co-worker, or neighbor, avoidance is the best policy unless they engage in criminal or severly destructive behavior.

I have heard something like 5000 stories from folks and the issue of “subtle abuse” is far more common than can be imagined. There are people who get their “jollies” by hurting other people … but just enough that their victim doesn’t feel the desire to either retaliate or move away to some other state or call the police.
 
Wonder what the priest meant by loving but not loving a lot. I don’t think it could be overly literal…

Catering to unreasonable demands will often not be loving. Catering to such demands may mean reinforcing the person in his disorders. Some children are trained by simply not responding to hysteria. A person who sees manipulation isn’t working might start interacting normally - perhaps this is less likely with habitual manipulators, although who knows… without a mental disorder a person might actually learn. Sometimes people discover their behaviour has been wrong or unreasonable and they change it.
 
How I dealt with a manipulative person was to say “Bank’s closed” when they asked to borrow money.

Kathy
 
Wonder what the priest meant by loving but not loving a lot. I don’t think it could be overly literal…

Catering to unreasonable demands will often not be loving. Catering to such demands may mean reinforcing the person in his disorders. Some children are trained by simply not responding to hysteria. A person who sees manipulation isn’t working might start interacting normally - perhaps this is less likely with habitual manipulators, although who knows… without a mental disorder a person might actually learn. Sometimes people discover their behaviour has been wrong or unreasonable and they change it.
Depends on what the meaning of “love” is.

Some folks over use the word so as to be able to take unfair advantage of others.

[Did you ever bring a 3x5 card with you to church and use it to count up the number of times the word “love” is used in a homily/sermon?]

[Stunning.]

[Especially when the word “love” is not defined or explained. Often, it is assumed we know what it means. But as one priest said, it ain’t about ice cream.]

On the other hand, I have seen people give up their lives to save the lives of total strangers … never even knew their names.

So, where’s the happy medium???
 
There are a lot of good books out there and self-help groups. I know because I am taking advantage of both. 😉
I used the search word codependency to look up books in the library, as well as information online.
We are instructed to love others as we love ourselves, that means we must first love ourself. 🍿
 
There are a lot of good books out there and self-help groups. I know because I am taking advantage of both. 😉
I used the search word codependency to look up books in the library, as well as information online.
We are instructed to love others as we love ourselves, that means we must first love ourself. 🍿
Please don’t resuscitate VERY OLD threads! This one started in 2006!!

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