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buffalo
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If you keep eating Buffalo, there will be none left to trample heresy.
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Truth should be taught in school
Either Catholicism is true or it is not.
If true, it should be taught. If not, it should not be taught as true.
Is Catholicism true?
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edwest2
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This discussion is not about the sun but human origins. Science cannot put God or supernatural events in a laboratory, that is my point. The life, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ was a literal event in human history.
I see that the sacred classroom argument has returned. Perhaps those who do not believe in God/gods should find out how prayer came to be in public schools before it was kicked out in the 1960s.
God bless,
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People post the following here frequently:
Adam just translates as “Man,” so why not populations of men, or hominds for that matter?
Couldn’t God have picked two ‘just on the verge of being human,’ hominids and dropped souls into them?
Eve formed from Adam’s side? Nonsense. Show me where the Church teaches that.
The Biology textbook version of evolution asigns human development to purely natural forces outside of any external guidance, especially not God.
Stephen Jay Gould wrote that if evolution could be rewound then things would have turned out differently.
I cannot argree with any form of evolution written about here because it ignores or avoids certain things that the Church teaches as true. With respect, I think that some sincerely believe they can combine the Biology textbook account of human development by just adding God. That presents the following problems: (1) The book of Romans clearly tells us that by one man, sin and death entered the world. So any attempts to limit the discussion to the book of Genesis do not take that into account. Adam was the one man.
(2) The Church teaches that Eve was formed by God from Adam’s side. See the encyclical Arcanum by Pope Leo XIII.
(3) Pope Benedict:
He said: “The pope [John Paul] had his reasons for saying this. But it is also true that the theory of evolution is not a complete, scientifically proven theory.”
“Benedict added that the immense time span that evolution covers made it impossible to conduct experiments in a controlled environment to verify or disprove the theory.”
That’s where things stand today. It would be an oversimplification to say that Catholics accept a certain theory of evolution, and not include the above points.
God bless,
Ed
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I think you would find it valuable to learn how prayer came to be in public schools in the first place, before it was kicked out in the 1960s.
Pluralistic does not mean: “everybody should do this” but that group over there gets to do whatever it wants.
God bless,
Ed
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Ha, ha. I watched, more than once, as scientists explained on TV that if we found a planet that was the right distance from its sun, had the ‘building blocks of life’ and a little water, then life would appear.
That must be among the top 100 lies of the 20th Century, Scientists can’t create life in the lab now.
God bless,
Ed
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StAnastasia
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You could only write what you did about me if you are either of low intelligence or lying. I did not want to imply that you are of low intelligence.
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edwest2
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Are you kidding? It would not matter from what country a student came from to teach them the same math and plumbing that Americans know. A lot of people from India come to this country to practice medicine but my doctor from India does not want to turn me into a cultural Indian. He speaks English.
Pluralistic does not mean people from other cultures and countries can do what they want here. Immigrants learn English and can speak their mother tongue at home and with friends as well. This is a nation of laws not ‘do whatever you want.’
God bless,
Ed
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ThomasToo
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I think you misunderstood. She was not saying homeschooling isn’t academically rigorous but that some public schools are. I am, however, suspect of any intellectual/academic resource that incorrectly gives the plural of curriculum as cirriculums and not curricula.
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buffalo
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StA - you gonna answer this?
Truth should be taught in school
Either Catholicism is true or it is not.
If true, it should be taught. If not, it should not be taught as true.
Is Catholicism true?
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StAnastasia
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I don’t follow your logic.
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StAnastasia
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Quite true!
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ThomasToo
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My apologies for the confusion but you had said ‘if the Bible is not a science book then the Science book cannot comment on the Bible.’ If this statement is so, and not an instance of the fallacy of special pleading, then science cannot comment on anything that is not a science book. The story of Helios’s chariot is not a science book (or rather scientific explanation) and hence under your rubric science cannot comment on it. Surely such an argument is ludicrous.
I never said the classroom was sacred–though in the Durkheimean sense of being set apart and forbidden I suppose I would grant the point. Frankly, just as this discussion is not about the sun (but certainly about science) it is not about prayer in the classroom–an illegal supposition under a plain reading of the First Amendment.
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StAnastasia
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Of course I believe Catholicism to be true. If you had taken a logic course, buffalo, you would see that it doesn’t follow from your argument that Catholicism should be taught in public schools.
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ThomasToo
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Would you grant this point about Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? There is no way to prove that Catholicism is objectively true and I–for one–think this should be a better rubric than simple truth.
Further, as StA said above (I’m editing to include this point), your argument does not include the supposition ‘all true things should be taught in school’ hence your conclusion doesn’t follow.
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edwest2
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Then why do you bring up what I think you know that Christians believe is true, the Bible, and put it on the same level as a purely mythological story? I tried to point out that the Bible records events that actually happened. Perhaps you are from the school of thought the believes miracles do not occur, but they occur today.
Your ‘illegal supposition’ does not follow since, as I pointed out, prayer was in the public school classroom, and had been for a long time. I doubt things became more or less legal as time went on. That’s what I think too many miss here: that because something exists as a law for a given situation that it’s automatically right and correct. Can you explain how the “plain reading” was missed prior to 1964?
God bless,
Ed
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StAnastasia
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Thank ThomasToo; I had assume buffalo knew enough logic to see that point; I appreciate your adding it. There are scientific and technological truths involved in making improvised explosive devices, but that doesn’t mean this subject should be taught in school.
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ThomasToo
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You realize that it is possible for some–but not all–of the Bible to be historically true? I would very much disagree with the supposition that everything in the Bible is true or even that most of it is but my issue with the historicity of Jesus is not the question here.
Because people like to justify illegal things. You really think offering a sectarian prayer does not violate the spirit–if not the letter–of the establishment clause of the First Amendment?
Segregation by race violated the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause but that didn’t keep it from being the law (and fact) of the land for many years.
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