Many negative comments about my Wedding Mass

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There is one aspect that from reading all the post hasn’t been addressed. What if James knew the people who where attending his wedding were commiting the very sins that the homily addressed? What if he had talked to those people before his wedding and they heard him but didn’t respond as he had hoped. Is it appropriate to invite them to his wedding knowing that they would likely attend and then use his wedding as an avenue to force them to hear their wrongdoings again in front of people that knew their sins? If that’s what happened I think it’s extremely poor judgement. The wedding was used to lure them into a lion’s den. What should have been done was that if James truly was concerned with some friends who were sinners he should have asked his priest to talk to them personally. Do not invite them into the wedding and then ream them. Where is the charity in using a wedding to publically humilate people who appear to be living a sinful life? If that was not the intention then I see no problem. I am just bringing this up because one of the previous posts stated that some of the attendees were “known” sinners.
 
I forgot to say contragulations and may your marriage be faithful and fruitful. May you and your wife be blessed with many children and may they be raised up in the faith as I am confident they will be based on your posts.

My previous post was not meant to offend or accuse in anyway. I simply like to view situations from all angles. The homily was great.
 
May God Bless you both in your marriage.

We need to hear more homilies like this. Many Catholics have become too complacent and blind to the faith. The priest made excellent points and I agree wholeheartedly.

That being said, I must go down on the side of ‘there is a time and a place for everything’ and you and the priest were off base. He should have had sense enough to deliver the message you wanted delivered in a more compassionate manner.

It appears, from the prior posts that you knew full well the compliment of guests and their situations. You used your wedding to embarrass them. Shame on you. Should they hear the truth? Absolutely. Do they need to hear the truth? Ditto. But you set yourself up as their judge and blindsided them when they came at your invitation to celebrate your marriage.

You asked our thoughts. Apparently you have had second thoughts about your actions or you wouldn’t have asked for opinions. All you are doing is trying to justify your poorly thought out actions. If you are so certain of your convictions, why did you ask? Blowing your own horn? Eventually what we do to others comes back to us sevenfold.

You owe your guests an apology, but somehow, I don’t expect they will ever get on.
 
First of all congratulations - and may you and your wife be
blessed with a long and happy marriage and a happy family!

I would love to hear a priest preach like that! He
sounds great to me, I wish there were many more of him!

I wouldn’t want people to feel uncomfortable, but hopefully
something the priest said touched them and made them
think after they calmed down. The truth needs to be
heard.
 
May God grant you countless years in your marriage!!!

People were probably angry at the priest because adhering to his message would require that they amend their lives.
People fear change especially in the US where ignorance reins and we are increasingly immoral and live in luxory…of course the fornicator does not want to give up sex, the alcoholic doesn’t want to give up his whisky and the pervert wants to view his pornography and even have it condoned by society. Some people even think that a legal marriage by the state is a real marriage…there is no validity to a state marriage. What merit is there in having a man made institution approve of your marriage?..NONE!!!..Only the things of God matter.
I commend him on his homily and hope that more priest will be like him and step up with a attitude that doesn’t back down even in the face of adversity.
 
First of all, congratulations on your wedding. Celebrate it daily with prayer between you and your spouse. It is the glue that keeps the fabric of life together. I am convinced after 25 years of praying with my spouse each day.

Aside from that, too often nowadays, people only come to church for weddings, funerals, maybe Christmas and Easter. And they believe that is all that is expected of anyone. And the rest of the year they are free to live any way that they desire. Most of the time, they do not remember how to even respond to the movements of mass…when to kneel, when to sit, stand, respond etc.After all, God gave them a free will. But deep down they know better, even though they have buried their morality deep inside and are now believing in relativism instead. Anything goes! (My own family members who have married outside of the church, even after I have reminded them that they are not free to receive Holy Communion will do so.)
And the thing they forget most of all, is who is eligible to receive the Holy Eucharist. They just migrate out of the pews and approach the altar…even when they are not Catholic. And the Catholics may not have been to reconciliation in years…So they are approaching the altar not in grace. And unfortunately, they need to sometimes be reminded strongly what constitutes a sin. The priest even though his method may have been heavy handed, might have saved their lives…and isn’t that worth it? It is in my estimation. Pray for them! Perhaps your own wedding will be their conversion moment in their lives. Let us hope!
 
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Edwin1961:
Much happiness to you and your wife!

I’d give your priest a standing ovation!

Did you know, that the ‘giving the bride away’ is NOT in the rubrics for a Catholic wedding? I can imagine if your wedding was 'said by the book (rubricks), how many would object to not having the bride being…‘given away’?
I found out that “giving the bride away” is not in the rubrics, so when and if I get married, NOBODY will give me away, and I will NOT enter the Church by a “grand entrance”!!!
 
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Edwin1961:
Much happiness to you and your wife!

I’d give your priest a standing ovation!

Did you know, that the ‘giving the bride away’ is NOT in the rubrics for a Catholic wedding? I can imagine if your wedding was 'said by the book (rubricks), how many would object to not having the bride being…‘given away’?
If and when I get married, I will not be given away, nor will I come into the Church with a seperate “grand entrance of the bride”!!!
 
JC Nixon:
May God Bless you both in your marriage.

We need to hear more homilies like this. Many Catholics have become too complacent and blind to the faith. The priest made excellent points and I agree wholeheartedly.

That being said, I must go down on the side of ‘there is a time and a place for everything’ and you and the priest were off base. He should have had sense enough to deliver the message you wanted delivered in a more compassionate manner.

It appears, from the prior posts that you knew full well the compliment of guests and their situations. You used your wedding to embarrass them. Shame on you. Should they hear the truth? Absolutely. Do they need to hear the truth? Ditto. But you set yourself up as their judge and blindsided them when they came at your invitation to celebrate your marriage.

You asked our thoughts. Apparently you have had second thoughts about your actions or you wouldn’t have asked for opinions. All you are doing is trying to justify your poorly thought out actions. If you are so certain of your convictions, why did you ask? Blowing your own horn? Eventually what we do to others comes back to us sevenfold.

You owe your guests an apology, but somehow, I don’t expect they will ever get one.
:amen:
 
Sorry for the two posts above being so similiar.

I had thought that maybe the first one didn’t go through.
 
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GoLatin:
If and when I get married, I will not be given away, nor will I come into the Church with a seperate “grand entrance of the bride”!!!
Explaining that to your father, especially if you are his only daughter, may be quite difficult.
 
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GoLatin:
If and when I get married, I will not be given away, nor will I come into the Church with a seperate “grand entrance of the bride”!!!
What’s your point? I don’t believe it is ‘forbidden’ in the rubrics. Is your position to keep within Church rubrics or is it a ‘personal’ choice not to be ‘given away’ or ‘make a grand entrance’. You can still process with your parents to your intended and not feel the least ‘given away’. Guess it’s all in your outlook and attitude.
 
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GoLatin:
If and when I get married, I will not be given away, nor will I come into the Church with a seperate “grand entrance of the bride”!!!
What being given away symbolizes is that you are establishing your own family with your new husband and that your family agrees to this, via your father “giving away the bride”. I have heard of both mother and father doing this, which is nice too because it symbolizes the unity of husband and wife which you and your new husband desire to become, as well.

As for the grand entrance, I’ve always thought of it as symbolizing the bride of Christ, the Church, coming to her Lord in beauty and purity.

Not everything done at a wedding Mass needs to be in rubrics, you know. There are allowances for cultural ceremony, too, since all that is needed for a marriage to be valid is for a Catholic priest, deacon, or in extreme circumstances another lay Catholic to be present to witness your vows.

As ElizabethAnne cited, there is no reason to snub tradition, and hurt your family’s feelings, just because you want to be youthfully idealistic over non-essential elements of weddings in Western culture. 😉
 
Can I book your priest for my wedding???

Actually I want (and I haven’t talked to my priest or fiance yet) a homily centered on Theology of the Body.

Good for you, and good for your priest. Perhaps the homily just hit a little too close to home for many of the complainers? Maybe they will think on it and eventually come around.

That said, a message that focuses on the positive rather than the negative is more appropriate for a wedding, especially when one wants to use it as an opportunity to get a message to an audience that may not be regularly attending Mass or any church service.
 
JC Nixon:
It appears, from the prior posts that you knew full well the compliment of guests and their situations. You used your wedding to embarrass them. Shame on you. Should they hear the truth? Absolutely. Do they need to hear the truth? Ditto. But you set yourself up as their judge and blindsided them when they came at your invitation to celebrate your marriage.

You asked our thoughts. Apparently you have had second thoughts about your actions or you wouldn’t have asked for opinions. All you are doing is trying to justify your poorly thought out actions. If you are so certain of your convictions, why did you ask? Blowing your own horn? Eventually what we do to others comes back to us sevenfold.

You owe your guests an apology, but somehow, I don’t expect they will ever get on.
It is the guests who complained that owe the apology.
 
James_2:24:
Exactly, thank you :amen: :blessyou:
I guess truth during a wedding homily is no longer fashionable? If we can no longer look to a priest to challange our postions we had better close up shop and forget the entire enterprise.
 
By the way, I have the wedding homily in Microsoft Word format…
Last Sunday, I spoke with the Priest after Mass, and he told me he kept the homily because he knew there may be a few who would say stuff derogatory about it or him, since we had people there who may disagree with Church teaching. He was concerned that people may try to say he said something that he didn’t, so he kept the text. I am free to share it. It is quite lengthy so I am deciding whether or not to post it here as a series of posts or to pm anyone who wants it. I figured many of you would be very curious to see this text since we discussed it so much already.
 
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It is the guests who complained that owe the apology.
If the priest had been the one to decide the content of this homily, then perhaps you would be right, no one could take the bride and groom to task. But when the homily was in essence ‘dictated’ by the bride and groom, with full knowledge that many of their wedding guests would be upset, to the point of tears, then they are wrong.

When someone invites you to share in their wedding, you don’t expect to go and be embarrassed and demeaned, deserved or not. A wedding ceremony is not the place for it.

Suppose the shoe were on the other foot. Suppose, just for a moment that the couple who were getting married weren’t so sanctimonious and they were the ones who had been living together prior to marriage, it was widely known also that they were practicing birth control and any number of other issues that were not in keeping with Church law, and one of the guests stood up at the ceremony and blasted the couple for their sinful ways, fully justified. Do you suppose that would be OK? Probably not. I expect many would be horrified. It would be inappropriate, just as this was inappropriate.

My point remains the same, if you are so sure what you did was right and appropriate, why did you ask for opinions to bolster your position? Obviously, you realize you were wrong but don’t want to admit it and are looking for justification.

We are supposed to educate people in the faith, correct them in their errors and help to guide them back to the right paths. I suspect what you have done is to drive many on the fence even further away, thus causing further scandal. Those actions are on you, you will have to answer for those you caused to slip further away because of your holier than thou, slap it in your face actions.
 
JC Nixon:
If the priest had been the one to decide the content of this homily, then perhaps you would be right, no one could take the bride and groom to task. But when the homily was in essence ‘dictated’ by the bride and groom, with full knowledge that many of their wedding guests would be upset, to the point of tears, then they are wrong.

When someone invites you to share in their wedding, you don’t expect to go and be embarrassed and demeaned, deserved or not. A wedding ceremony is not the place for it.

Suppose the shoe were on the other foot. Suppose, just for a moment that the couple who were getting married weren’t so sanctimonious and they were the ones who had been living together prior to marriage, it was widely known also that they were practicing birth control and any number of other issues that were not in keeping with Church law, and one of the guests stood up at the ceremony and blasted the couple for their sinful ways, fully justified. Do you suppose that would be OK? Probably not. I expect many would be horrified. It would be inappropriate, just as this was inappropriate.

My point remains the same, if you are so sure what you did was right and appropriate, why did you ask for opinions to bolster your position? Obviously, you realize you were wrong but don’t want to admit it and are looking for justification.

We are supposed to educate people in the faith, correct them in their errors and help to guide them back to the right paths. I suspect what you have done is to drive many on the fence even further away, thus causing further scandal. Those actions are on you, you will have to answer for those you caused to slip further away because of your holier than thou, slap it in your face actions.
Okay, I will respond to you right now shortly, I didn’t want to do this before because I can see by the choice of your words and content that this thread will just become a debate between you and I. But you assume way too much. From your point of view, it is thoroughly hypocritical of you to be judgmental and say: “you obviously know you were wrong”. Nope, I’m sorry, I don’t believe I was wrong. you are wrong.

And I KNEW someone was going to be embarassed to the “point of tears”??? I’m sorry, you assumed and are wrong again.

Furthermore, If I stood up and demeaned a wedding couple in the middle of their wedding I would be wrong for pointing them out and pointing a finger… Very different from preaching against SIN which was done and not an individual. FORNICATION is WRONG. ABORTION is WRONG. ETC. And if someone int he congregation is embarassed cause they happend to be one who killed a little child, then so be it. It teaches humilty without humiliating them pubically for no one knows their sin except themselves.

Also, sorry you are WRONG again when you say the homily was DICTATED by the bride and groom. It was a joint effort by ourselves and the priest. We gave him an idea of what we wanted to be preached and he did the entire body of the his homily on his OWN. We did not hear any of it until the day of the wedding, but had a good idea of what it would be about. There were many points in the homily that I didn’t know would be included, but many that I did know would be. There was nothing I disagreed with though.

So, why did I post here? You assume, judge, and say it is to blow my own horn, it is because I know I was wrong… etc… But you in fact are wrong… I posted here because I saw a situation that I knew was wrong: people saying RUDE comments at my wedding/reception OF and ABOUT my priest… and I only wanted other orthodox Catholics thoughts on the matter, that was it. I fully expected 95% or more to understand where I was coming from and a few people like yourself which doesn’t surprise me.

Its very hypocritical of you to make so many assumptions and judge my character instead of only the situation… and then say what we did was wrong. Yes, I asked you for your opinion of what was done, not an examination and judgment of my character… Like your counterpart here on these posts by the name of Della who said that the poster and those who agree are probably under 30. That’s pretty “judgmental” both your standards. that’s like me saying: “they must’ve been black!”

finally, i think it was you who said someting along the lines of (if it wasn’t in fact you, i apologize, i have no time to sift through posts right now): how would you like it if you went to a fundamentalist church and they were saying catholics are all going to hell (or something like this). They can preach whatever they want in THEIR Church, and I have no right to tell them they are wrong to preach that there.
 
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