Many people are MISSING the boat

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You are mistaken. Pope St. Pius X was very specific and there is no alternative meaning to development of doctrine.
 
Isn’t this the same quotation people use to argue that Vatican II was invalid? 🤔
 
The Church can’t contradict itself. So no, as doctrine develops it can’t repudiate dogmas that have been previously defined. Yet, doctrine, that is, the Church’s understanding of the faith matures and deepens over the centuries. To suggest that the fully developed body of Catholic doctrine that we have today is explicitly found in the early Fathers is simply a fantasy.
 
You do realize that the Summa, while a brilliant teaching book, is not in and of itself doctrinal, right?
 
I am a Latin loving traditional Catholic. I embrace the Catechism, the Compendium, the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church. The two are not mutually exclusive 🙂
 
Probably by some people. Although the oath is still recited by some religious orders in the Church such as the Institute of Christ the King.
 
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It is the very fact that people are only reading modern references, that many people are confused. ALL of the Church’s writings need to be taken into account. The writings of the Church don’t become obsolete.
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A fair point. It is just in your post you only referenced those works “loved” by that portion of the Church that wants to go back to the Latin Mass and the way it was 80 years ago. If you are going to state we need to read all the church writings, you should have included the works of Augustine, Albert, Leo the Great, Robert Bellarmine and the like. With that I will heartily agree that we need to be familiar with everything from the gospel of Matthew onward.
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You seem to have an extreme dislike for tradition. That’s not a Catholic attitude.
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Actually I think if you read my posts, I do not denigrate those who are “tradcats” and love the Latin Mass. As to having a dislike for tradition, true, I don’t like the Latin Mass, I grew up in it when I was younger and it was full of abuses, mostly on the part of a bored and disinterred laity. It is interesting (and correct) that you use the small t for tradition. I have nothing but faith in and love for the Tradition of the Magesterium. As to hamburgers on Friday or vestment colors for funeral masses, I don’t think my opinion is of any concern to anyone but myself. Thinking on one’s own, forming and following the dictates of one’s conscience is MOST DEFINITELY a Catholic attitude.
 
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You do realize that the Summa, while a brilliant teaching book, is not in and of itself doctrinal, right?
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New Advent has the Summa, but it is only a part of what it offers. It’s like a Wikipedia for Catholics! 😃
 
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In a 1904 meeting with Theodore Herzl, Pius X is quoted as saying “The Jews have not recognized Our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.” Pius X also refused to recognize the historic Jewish claim to Jerusalem. I would suggest that Church doctrine in regard to Judiasm has certainly changed.
 
They don’t reference, say, the ancient Syriac Doctors who express the faith in a very non-Latin manner…yet are Catholic.
 
It assumes that the Faithful have adult reading comprehension.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Actually, the Catechism is addressed to all Christians.
To my Venerable Brothers the cardinals, Patriarchs, Archbishops, Bishops, Priests, Deacons, and to all the People of God.
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True, said so in an above post. My point is I think the writing style and content are “aimed” at bishops and pastors and written in a more academic style. If written for the common man or woman in the pews, I believe the style would be a little more informal.

Edited to say. I didn’t so much say it as I agree with a poster who posted exactly what you have above.
 
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You may find the USCCB’s Catechism for Adults or the YouCat to be written in a style that you prefer.
 
Eddie18 said:
People really need to read up on some traditional Catholic references before they engage in discussions on particular Catholic subjects.
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Some are more in need of reading up on the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Available free, and searchable, online.
 
Yes, but this poster just declared I am in “grave error” for suggesting that there is legitimate development of doctrine in the Catholic Church… so I imagine the development represented by the modern CCC is a no go.
 
Pardon, but a Pope having a meeting with someone and making statements does not make his statements doctrine nor does it invoke infallibility. As far as I am aware, the Church does not have a doctrine in regard to Judaism.
 
This is exciting!

Another thread of people pointing fingers at each other and making pronouncements based on a vague opening post that didn’t give any explanation of why we should be upset.

I’ll get the popcorn! 🍿
 
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