Map of the Dead

[Sirach14]

“The Palm Beach Post has produced a map of America that locates the hometowns of the men and women who died in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/photos/war_casualties/map/m10000.html

 

[Celia]

God, that’s sad. And more dying everyday. :nope:

 

[gilliam]

Celia:

God, that’s sad. And more dying everyday.

Freedom is not free.

 

[Lance]

Fewer Americans have died in Iraq than on D-Day. Far fewer have died than in the Battle of the Bulge. The Battle of the Bulge was 30 days and about 31,000, yes that’s right, 31,000 Americans died. There were no papers posting maps of where those guys were from, if they had they would have gone out of business because the American public knew how to stand up for what was right in those days.

 

[wabrams]

Lance:

Fewer Americans have died in Iraq than on D-Day. Far fewer have died than in the Battle of the Bulge. The Battle of the Bulge was 30 days and about 31,000, yes that’s right, 31,000 Americans died. There were no papers posting maps of where those guys were from, if they had they would have gone out of business because the American public knew how to stand up for what was right in those days.

Last time I checked the Iraqi’s weren’t going to strike the US if we didn’t attack, unlike the German’s who were close to being able to do so.

 

[wabrams]

Lance:

Fewer Americans have died in Iraq than on D-Day. Far fewer have died than in the Battle of the Bulge. The Battle of the Bulge was 30 days and about 31,000, yes that’s right, 31,000 Americans died. There were no papers posting maps of where those guys were from, if they had they would have gone out of business because the American public knew how to stand up for what was right in those days.

Last time I checked the Iraqi’s weren’t going to strike the US if we didn’t attack, unlike the German’s who were close to being able to do so.

 

[vern_humphrey]

wabrams:

Last time I checked the Iraqi’s weren’t going to strike the US if we didn’t attack, unlike the German’s who were close to being able to do so.

And you checked this, how?

Do you have your own intelligence service?

As has been pointed out again and again, Iraq had many close links with terrorist organizations and gave them material support.

 

[Celia]

Lance:

Fewer Americans have died in Iraq than on D-Day. Far fewer have died than in the Battle of the Bulge. The Battle of the Bulge was 30 days and about 31,000, yes that’s right, 31,000 Americans died. There were no papers posting maps of where those guys were from, if they had they would have gone out of business because the American public knew how to stand up for what was right in those days.

I’m sure these numbers are true, and that’s horrible, but it doesn’t make the deaths of these soldiers any less worse, in my eyes…
How are we not standing up for what’s right by knowing how many soldiers have died in Iraq? That’s just facts…

 

[Ptero9]

I would never trivialize the death of any human being…but I do think there is more glory in dying for a cause, which many young men and women do believe in who are over in Iraq & Afghanistan, than the number of our young men and women who die on our highways each year!

And to think, so little outrage about our culture’s glorification of fast, unsafe driving (and drinking too for that matter) which goes on in so many television commercials!

Does anyone know how many men between the ages of 18-25 died on US highways last year, or the year before? Does anyone care?

 

[mlchance]

Celia:

I’m sure these numbers are true, and that’s horrible, but it doesn’t make the deaths of these soldiers any less worse, in my eyes…

How are we not standing up for what’s right by knowing how many soldiers have died in Iraq? That’s just facts…

Quite right. Too many people, usually on the left, use the numbers as a way of denigrating the U.S. mission in Iraq. The usual response is to further denigrate the sacrifices of our soldiers and the Iraqi people (who have suffered for more at the hands of the terrorists trying to destroy the newborn Iraqi democracy) by playing the numbers game: D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, et cetera.

In terms of military casualties as a gauge of success, yes, Operation Iraqi Freedom has been remarkably successful. But close to 1800 Americans have still paid a very price for that success. We need to honor our dead; not use them as pawns in a crass game of political oneupmanship.

It also doesn’t help that folks continue to spread lies about how Iraq wasn’t a threat to the U.S. and/or the U.S.'s allies. Hussein’s regime had attacked Americans since the end of the first Gulf War. It had also paid terrorists to attack Americans and our allies. Russian intelligence services even had information that Hussein was planning a more dramatic move against the U.S.

Saddam Hussein had to go. Iraq is a better place without him, and it will continue to improve so long as we do not lose heart.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Richardols]

Lance:

There were no papers posting maps of where those guys were from, if they had they would have gone out of business because the American public knew how to stand up for what was right in those days.

How does publishing a map with the hometowns of those who died in Iraq conflict with “standing up for what was right”?

 

[lost_sheep_2]

mlchance:

Quite right. Too many people, usually on the left, use the numbers as a way of denigrating the U.S. mission in Iraq.

I am not a very political person, but I am pretty much fed up with all the political rhetoric over the Iraq war (and anything else political for that matter). If you opose the ideology of the war then you are a leftist democratic idiot, if you are for the war and what it stands for then you are a conservative republican standing on the side of God and country.

With this being a catholic forum, can anyone tell me the stance our dear late Pontiff took on the Iraq war, or the stance that our new Shepard, Pope Benedict, takes on the war. That will then tell me how I should veiw this war, because I am not a democrat or republican, I am a Catholic Christian!
Enough said

 

[wabrams]

vern humphrey:

And you checked this, how?

Do you have your own intelligence service?

I don’t recall reading how the Iraqi army was mounting an invasion of the US or were one country away from doing it. Do you have your own intel network out there that says they were? I mean, you seem to have the answers to everything.
vern humphrey:

As has been pointed out again and again, Iraq had many close links with terrorist organizations and gave them material support.

As was asked on another thread: Who in the middle east DOESN’T have some type of connections w/ terrorist organizations?

 

[Richardols]

lost sheep:

With this being a catholic forum, can anyone tell me the stance our dear late Pontiff took on the Iraq war, or the stance that our new Shepard, Pope Benedict, takes on the war. That will then tell me how I should veiw this war, because I am not a democrat or republican, I am a Catholic Christian!
Enough said

There is no “Catholic” position on the war. Reasonable Catholics can be against the war (as I and others are) or for the war (as numerous others are). Neither Pope specifically condemned the war, though it can reasonably be assumed that neither was in favor of it.

 

[mike182d]

Richardols:

How does publishing a map with the hometowns of those who died in Iraq conflict with “standing up for what was right”?

There’s not an inherent conflict as this could even be done to praise and honor those who have given their lives for freedom, but it would be naive to think that there might not be an alterior motive - it was produced by the media, after all. The media has been obsessed with death counts in order to convince America that the war is evil and must be stopped (they even “celebrated” the 1,000 death milestone). Since they’ve been doing this for a couple years now, to no avail, it would not surprise me that they would take it a step further to push the “emotion” button in the public.

 

[Richardols]

mike182d:

it would not surprise me that they would take it a step further to push the “emotion” button in the public.

And, are those “letters from Iraq” from soldiers over there that portray what’s going on there as nothing but unrequited success stories not intended to push an “emotion” button as well?

Everyone has an agenda. The map seemed neutral enough to me. I noted the names of two hometown men, one of which I was familiar with.

 

[KathleenElsie]

As a former Air Force member, it sadens me to have this used against the families that have lost loved ones. Dividing this country at this time of war is not what we need.

Praying for the peace that GOD gives to the families. Praying for the knowledge that these families have not lost loved ones for no reason. Praying that we hold steady till the job is done. Praying for us as a country that we support the troops and their families. Praying for peace in the world.