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joshman1 said:
Men don’t need anything man-specific else in this world, lol.
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I beg to differ. Have you ever been to a Catholic Men’s conference? If you haven’t, I highly recommend one.

Men need to learn how to be real men again.

Pornography, “dead-beat dads,” etc. plus even the radical feminist movement have all warped authentic masculinity.

Men need to be reminded how to properly take care of the wives and children. Men need to be reminded or taught how to be good fathers and role models. Men need to learn how to not objectify & abuse women, etc.

There are lots of things that a Man’s March can accomplish to help make sure children have active fathers, and that number of fatherless homes diminishes.

God Bless
 
joshman1 said:
Because our culture is so male dominated as it is.
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If you look at the Generation X & Millennials, I don’t think our culture is really male dominated anymore. The number of women attending college out numbers the number of men. The number of female lawyers & doctors continue to increase.

At my law firm, the majority of associates are women. The majority of partners is most likely still men, but that’s because it will take a while for the millennial generation and the generations that come after the millennials to replace the Baby Boomers.

The majority of families with children today are two income households and it’s not uncommon for a wife to be the breadwinner today.

In regards to the pay gap, when you look at today’s starting salaries, the pay gap is practically non-existent. Many companies are starting to have set starting salaries instead of having a large starting range. And when a company does have a range, more women today are negotiating better starting salaries instead of settling for the original offer.

Some studies have shown that the main reason there is a pay gap in average pay is because there are many women who take significant time off to have children. For example, my wife (a teacher) has taken 5 years off from work so far. When she eventually goes back to work, her salary will not be what it would have been if she didn’t take several years off. Addtionally, there are several associates (like at my firm) who select lower pay and a lower annual billing requirement so they can spend more time at home. And some, places of employment allow a mother (not a father) to take up to a one year unpaid sabbatical after their paid leave is gone after childbirth.

I strongly believe that as companies switch maternity leave to paternity leave, we will see the gap start to close a lot more. That way, if a mother is the breadwinner and a family wants one parent to take a year off from work, the father could do it. However, even with this, I do think that if one parent is going to take significant time off from work, most mothers are going to want to be the one who does it (unless the mother makes significantly more money than the father).

My point is, this is not the 20th century anymore. Women have far more power today in today’s society than they did even 20 years ago. Look, how close we came to having a female President and BOTH parties had serious female Presidential candidates.

My daughter is 5 years old and I have no doubt that she will be able to do whatever she sets her mind to doing. The fact that she’s a girl will not hinder her at all. However, I don’t feel the same way about my 2 year old son. I fear that an identity crisis among young men is growing. Today, as a manager, when dealing with kids fresh out of college, I see far more better female candidates than male candidates. A lot of the young men I see in the legal field today are lacking the confidence and social skills that their female counterparts have. It’s a vast difference compared to law school classes a decade ago.

God Bless
 
J_Peterson said:
The March isn’t pro-abortion, it’s pro-women rights. There are pro-life groups marching (secular groups anyway). There are plenty of pro-choice groups going but that’s not the point of the March in general. Everybody there may have different views, the one thing they have in common is they are women or for women. There is no mention of abortion or even reproductive rights in the mission statement.

Take a look at the Guiding Principles as well.

womensmarch.com/mission/
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It is quite global now. 600 marches across 57 countries. And you are correct, it is not about reproductive rights. It is about human rights and equality - and dignity.

commondreams.org/news/2017/01/19/womens-march-against-trump-turns-global-day-action
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It is quite global now. 600 marches across 57 countries. And you are correct, it is not about reproductive rights. It is about human rights and equality - and dignity.

commondreams.org/news/2017/01/19/womens-march-against-trump-turns-global-day-action
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Nope, the earlier poster you quoted, and agreed with, has already corrected their position. The organizers of the March specifically reject any partners, no matter how committed to women’s rights, who are also prolife.
That is the sacred cause. They will not bend on that, they will not compromise on that, though they will bend, or compromise on any other women’s issue.

If Donald Trump took a prochoice position in the campaign, and everything else he said was the same…and Hilary took a prolife position, every other position same as what she actually supported…the media would have supported Trump.
 
J_Peterson said:
I stand corrected. Thank you.

That’s extremely disappointing. I was under the impression the march was for all women. I guess everybody’s got their sacred cow. It really does stink being a pro-life progressive, nobody likes us.
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Hey, I like you.

As a former Democrat, as a social worker for over 40 years, who still volunteers in the inner city, as someone who held his nose while he voted for Trump, I think I can see your POV.

“Progress should mean that we are always changing the world to fit the vision, instead we are always changing the vision.” G. K. Chesterton

Chesterton wrote many times about progress, and progressives. Look him up. I know he has been claimed by some conservatives as a champion, but he does not really fit into that category, nor does he fit into the usual socialism vs capitalism categories. He also wrote a great deal about progress and the family, and about contraception and foresaw legal abortion.
 
on_the_hill said:
Just curious–is anyone participating?

I’m not entirely sure what it’s main purpose is.

It doesn’t seem like it would be particularly Catholic-friendly. 🤷

If this is already in another thread, feel free to move, or whatever.
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Wish I could go. Would love to bring my pro-life generation banner.

Ah well.
 
I bet you there will be a lot of coverage of the March for Women on all the Cable Network News channels this Saturday, and almost wall to wall coverage of that event on CNN and MSNBC but when the March for Life 2017 occurs on January 27th, we will be lucky if Fox News runs a two minute news segment about it.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Kellyanne a “rock star”?
To whom?
People intensely dislike her.

What do you mean?

Exactly.

Um, no.
First of all, there’s plenty of media…including The New York Post, by the way, who support and supported and publicly endorsed Trump.

Second…the media who didn’t support Trump didn’t do so because he implied he was against abortion.
They did it because he has no experience, he makes ill-informed, rash, impetuous, spiteful statements and decisions, he’s a bully to anyone he doesn’t like or who disagrees with him, he did not reveal his taxes, he gave little indication of policies during the campaign, he treats women without respect, he skips out paying hard-working people, he’s a dangerous narcissist, he’s racist, he’s a habitual liar, he’s going to leave millions without healthcare, he’s suspected of having unethical ties with Russia, he offends and insults patriots, and he’ll probably throw us into a world war because of a temper tantrum.

The only positive thing I can say about him is that he supports same-sex marriage–at least there’s that.

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Nail on head 👍
 
on_the_hill said:
Just curious–is anyone participating?

I’m not entirely sure what it’s main purpose is.

It doesn’t seem like it would be particularly Catholic-friendly. 🤷

If this is already in another thread, feel free to move, or whatever.
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I have been considering it, but I don’t feel comfortable fighting the crowds and packed metro by myself with a stroller and baby girl is too heavy to wear while walking for so long. DH is not one for this sort of thing and even if he was, his job precludes public political activism.
 
Dwyer said:
I bet you there will be a lot of coverage of the March for Women on all the Cable Network News channels this Saturday, and almost wall to wall coverage of that event on CNN and MSNBC but when the March for Life 2017 occurs on January 27th, we will be lucky if Fox News runs a two minute news segment about it.
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On the other hand, it allows us to keep making headway under the radar. Sometimes the ignoring strategy is a two-edged sword. I don’t understand the strategy myself. If I were pro-choice, I would rather cast flood-lights on the March for Life in order to motivate the base.
 
commenter said:
Nope, the earlier poster you quoted, and agreed with, has already corrected their position. The organizers of the March specifically reject any partners, no matter how committed to women’s rights, who are also prolife.
That is the sacred cause. They will not bend on that, they will not compromise on that, though they will bend, or compromise on any other women’s issue.

If Donald Trump took a prochoice position in the campaign, and everything else he said was the same…and Hilary took a prolife position, every other position same as what she actually supported…the media would have supported Trump.
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Yeah, that was me. I haven’t seen anything else come out that contradicts yesterday’s news.

I talked to my wife about it a bit and she tended to agree a bit although she isn’t against the march (I’d consider her a moderate feminist, more old school than new). In fact she was reading an article from a minorities woman’s point of view and the author felt that minorities weren’t well represented either. I didn’t read that article so I don’t know the details. I think the gist of it was that the organizers are treating woman as a monolith that all think alike.

I am for women’s rights but those rights end when they infringe on another persons rights. I think the pro-life groups will go anyway. Some of these young girls are tough, they aren’t going to stay away just because someone told them to.
 
commenter said:
Nope, the earlier poster you quoted, and agreed with, has already corrected their position. The organizers of the March specifically reject any partners, no matter how committed to women’s rights, who are also prolife.
That is the sacred cause. They will not bend on that, they will not compromise on that, though they will bend, or compromise on any other women’s issue.

If Donald Trump took a prochoice position in the campaign, and everything else he said was the same…and Hilary took a prolife position, every other position same as what she actually supported…the media would have supported Trump.
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!!!

You have articulated what I wanted to say perfectly.

Society did a terrific job in acting like they care about all women. It’s scary, really.
 
phil19034 said:
I beg to differ. Have you ever been to a Catholic Men’s conference? If you haven’t, I highly recommend one.

Men need to learn how to be real men again.
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Real men do not care about what people like you think a man has to do to qualify as a “real man”.
Pornography, “dead-beat dads,” etc. plus even the radical feminist movement have all warped authentic masculinity.
Click to expand...
Men need to be reminded how to properly take care of the wives and children. Men need to be reminded or taught how to be good fathers and role models. Men need to learn how to not objectify & abuse women, etc.
Click to expand...
There are lots of things that a Man’s March can accomplish to help make sure children have active fathers, and that number of fatherless homes diminishes.
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God Bless
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So basically the purpose is to remind men just how oppressive and terrible they are and to teach them to better serve women.

That does not address any of the issues men face today.
 
starshiptrooper said:
Real men do not care about what people like you think a man has to do to qualify as a “real man”.So basically the purpose is to remind men just how oppressive and terrible they are and to teach them to better serve women.

That does not address any of the issues men face today.
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Funny.
I didn’t read any of it that way.
 
starshiptrooper said:
Real men do not care about what people like you think a man has to do to qualify as a “real man”.So basically the purpose is to remind men just how oppressive and terrible they are and to teach them to better serve women.

That does not address any of the issues men face today.
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What do you mean “people like you”?
 
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