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Not really. People in general are hypocritical. And the right just as much as the left. Or were you as incensed over VP Cheney using the same word Madonna used?
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YADA
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Really
Not the language … they don’t have a problem with other men who have been accused of worse [Bill Clinton is still their hero and Neil Godschmidt seems unscathed] and said equally vile and vulgar things …How about celebrating “entertainers” who market a hip hop rap culture to our children that advocates rape, murder, cop killing and drugs … entertainment blasted across the government controlled airwaves, sold at ridiculous costs to support their life styles - which are that of the 1% - 24/7/365 … for that - there is no angst … dinner invites and slathering love … they are invited to speak at protests [ala Madonna, et al]
And trust me - the likes of Madonna did not just recently take to using vulgar language because Trump was caught on tape saying these things … her music has glorified and sold to young women that sex is a commodity … that you approach men in provocative ways - using your entire body to rub against a man … that its all about sex … no holding back … she denigrated all things Catholic, she has glorified oral sex … and has since the 1980s … its nothing new … Vulgarity rules the day for entertainers
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RCinMT
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Can you explain what you mean by “worn out from too many pregnancies?” because, as a Catholic, I am intrigued on who decides how many pregnancies are too many?
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sallybutler
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I hope you don’t equate all of the ‘left’ to be just like Madonna. If yes, would it be okay if I equated all of the right to Bruce Jenner (or whatever name he/she is using)?Really
How about celebrating “entertainers” who market a hip hop rap culture to our children that advocates rape, murder, cop killing and drugs … entertainment blasted across the government controlled airwaves, sold at ridiculous costs to support their life styles - which are that of the 1% - 24/7/365 … for that - there is no angst … dinner invites and slathering love … they are invited to speak at protests [ala Madonna, et al]
And trust me - the likes of Madonna did not just recently take to using vulgar language because Trump was caught on tape saying these things … her music has glorified and sold to young women that sex is a commodity … that you approach men in provocative ways - using your entire body to rub against a man … that its all about sex … no holding back … she denigrated all things Catholic, she has glorified oral sex … and has since the 1980s … its nothing new … Vulgarity rules the day for entertainers
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RCinMT
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What if somebody wasn’t incensed about what Cheney said because Cheney didn’t go around condemning or decrying others for saying what he himself was saying? In other words, Cheney may be a misanthrope (certainly seems to be) and degrade women (certainly not an acceptable thing to do) but Cheney never pretended he wasn’t a misanthrope nor that he didn’t respect the dignity of women.
In other words, Cheney wasn’t a hypocrite, just a jerk. And it may be wrong but people are more willing to forgive or countenance a jerk than a hyopocrite.
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praccath
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Contraception = Anti-life
Abortion = Anti-life
Same sex marriage = Anti-eternal-life
Praying for conversions at the March for Women.
Abortion = Anti-life
Same sex marriage = Anti-eternal-life
Praying for conversions at the March for Women.
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Sy_Noe
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Catholicism had its representatives.
Sr. Jo’Ann De Quattro made her travel arrangements from California to Washington, D.C., last summer because she thought she would be attending Hillary Clinton’s inauguration. De Quattro said she plans on carrying a sign at the Women’s March that will say: “Sisters of the Holy Names, We Stand for Migrants and We Are All Immigrants.” The sign will include a picture of De Quattro’s paternal Italian family.
“The values of the person that will be inaugurated are not the values that I hold dear,” De Quattro said. “I’m not going to the inauguration because I believe that as it is, our country is deeply divided, and so to go to the inauguration would indicate either I support the person being inaugurated or I oppose. To express that opposition, I’d have to brave supporters of this person … I want to march with like-minded people who value inclusivity and respect, women’s rights, welcoming difference and diversity.”
Also among the attendees will be Catholic sisters from across the country, including Social Service Sr. Simone Campbell, executive director of NETWORK, a national Catholic social justice lobby headquartered in Washington that focuses on nonviolent solutions to conflict and shaping federal policies and structures to benefit everyone, including immigrants.“It’s as much about solidarity with each other, that we have each other’s backs,” Campbell said. "It’s about building community. We will not be afraid.
Campbell said she has accepted an invitation from the Women’s March on Washington organizers to speak at the rally. “It’s about mending the gaps among us,” Campbell said. “It doesn’t have to be this way, but we can make change happen by staying engaged. … This is a time where business as usual won’t work, and I really think that what we all need is to be very reflective — and I call it contemplative — and listen for when the Spirit nudges and act on what we hear. That’s my most urgent message to the faith community. It’s a time not like any other I know, so we have to engage differently to make sure that all have a chance to live in dignity. It’s actually a very Pope Francis message.”
Several sisters from Sisters of Providence of St. Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana, plan on attending the D.C. Women’s March, including Sr. Barbara Battista.
“It’s about showing solidarity and being positive at this time,” Battista said. She will be going to D.C. on a bus with fellow sisters and students of St. Mary-of-the-Woods College.
Sr. Kathleen Desautels, also a Sister of Providence of St. Mary-of-the-Woods, will drive to D.C. for the Women’s March from Chicago with four members of the 8th Day Center for Justice, where she works. The center is a Catholic social justice organization that works to promote equality by eliminating the root causes of systemic oppression and serves as a voice for marginalized people.
“My effort is to stand up and to be a voice for what is just and right for those that are most on the margins, and so I join this particular march to join others who believe that justice must prevail,” Desautels said. “I’m doing it to be with people that I feel will be energized by the same spirit of wanting to stand up for those that are going to be most affected by the policies that this new administration is proposing.”
Dozens of organizations are sponsoring the Women’s March, including environmental and educational groups such as the Sierra Club and Girls Who Code. Planned Parenthood, a nonprofit organization often targeted by pro-life groups, is also an official sponsor. Campbell, De Quattro, Battista and Desautels said they do not have a problem with pro-choice organizations sponsoring the event.
All four sisters said they welcome the open dialogue among people with different beliefs.
“If anything, our presence will lift up the full aspect of all of life,” Campbell said. “That’s who we are, that’s what we’re about. The idea that you can’t talk to people who have a different perspective in a democracy … that, to me, is wrong. We’ve got to engage, and that’s why we’re going.”
globalsistersreport.org/news/we-have-each-others-backs-we-will-not-be-afraid-44496
Sr. Jo’Ann De Quattro made her travel arrangements from California to Washington, D.C., last summer because she thought she would be attending Hillary Clinton’s inauguration. De Quattro said she plans on carrying a sign at the Women’s March that will say: “Sisters of the Holy Names, We Stand for Migrants and We Are All Immigrants.” The sign will include a picture of De Quattro’s paternal Italian family.
“The values of the person that will be inaugurated are not the values that I hold dear,” De Quattro said. “I’m not going to the inauguration because I believe that as it is, our country is deeply divided, and so to go to the inauguration would indicate either I support the person being inaugurated or I oppose. To express that opposition, I’d have to brave supporters of this person … I want to march with like-minded people who value inclusivity and respect, women’s rights, welcoming difference and diversity.”
Also among the attendees will be Catholic sisters from across the country, including Social Service Sr. Simone Campbell, executive director of NETWORK, a national Catholic social justice lobby headquartered in Washington that focuses on nonviolent solutions to conflict and shaping federal policies and structures to benefit everyone, including immigrants.“It’s as much about solidarity with each other, that we have each other’s backs,” Campbell said. "It’s about building community. We will not be afraid.
Campbell said she has accepted an invitation from the Women’s March on Washington organizers to speak at the rally. “It’s about mending the gaps among us,” Campbell said. “It doesn’t have to be this way, but we can make change happen by staying engaged. … This is a time where business as usual won’t work, and I really think that what we all need is to be very reflective — and I call it contemplative — and listen for when the Spirit nudges and act on what we hear. That’s my most urgent message to the faith community. It’s a time not like any other I know, so we have to engage differently to make sure that all have a chance to live in dignity. It’s actually a very Pope Francis message.”
Several sisters from Sisters of Providence of St. Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana, plan on attending the D.C. Women’s March, including Sr. Barbara Battista.
“It’s about showing solidarity and being positive at this time,” Battista said. She will be going to D.C. on a bus with fellow sisters and students of St. Mary-of-the-Woods College.
Sr. Kathleen Desautels, also a Sister of Providence of St. Mary-of-the-Woods, will drive to D.C. for the Women’s March from Chicago with four members of the 8th Day Center for Justice, where she works. The center is a Catholic social justice organization that works to promote equality by eliminating the root causes of systemic oppression and serves as a voice for marginalized people.
“My effort is to stand up and to be a voice for what is just and right for those that are most on the margins, and so I join this particular march to join others who believe that justice must prevail,” Desautels said. “I’m doing it to be with people that I feel will be energized by the same spirit of wanting to stand up for those that are going to be most affected by the policies that this new administration is proposing.”
Dozens of organizations are sponsoring the Women’s March, including environmental and educational groups such as the Sierra Club and Girls Who Code. Planned Parenthood, a nonprofit organization often targeted by pro-life groups, is also an official sponsor. Campbell, De Quattro, Battista and Desautels said they do not have a problem with pro-choice organizations sponsoring the event.
All four sisters said they welcome the open dialogue among people with different beliefs.
“If anything, our presence will lift up the full aspect of all of life,” Campbell said. “That’s who we are, that’s what we’re about. The idea that you can’t talk to people who have a different perspective in a democracy … that, to me, is wrong. We’ve got to engage, and that’s why we’re going.”
globalsistersreport.org/news/we-have-each-others-backs-we-will-not-be-afraid-44496
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sallybutler
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I think your body tells you. My mother was pregnant 5 times in 4 years (1 miscarriage, 1 premature birth). She than had a nervous breakdown after the 5th birth. She then started using rhythm (she was extremely regular) and had no more.
Additionally, if you can not be the parent to all of them, relying on others to take over the parental duties, you need to stop having children (the Duggars come to mind, where the older children are doing more of the parenting then the parents). If you can’t feed, clothe, and educate them, perhaps you have too many.
For some this will mean no children. Some lucky people could adopt before they ran out of the resources needed (monetary and emotional) to raise children.
Since even Jesus stopped at 12 disciples, I think that maybe that is a good max.
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There was lots of vulgarity in this March … in the signs, in the speakers on T shirts and hats … it was not merely a few … you said it was not the vulgarity of the words that people were upset about but the actions against women that the words expressed …
Well - F-ing Trump, bombing the white house, killing children in the womb seem pretty horrendous actions expressed in words … and the crowds roared their support …
So - generally speaking … or equating “all” of the left … they bought into the vulgarity and the ‘action’ of the likes of Madonna at this “Rally, Protest, etc” with their support, their signs, their pink hats and their Cheers … Madonna does not speak for all women in America but she spoke for those in attendance today … she was a spokes person for the March for Women … and if Trumps words matter and the actions they express - well then so do hers … you are welcome to her
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RCinMT
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I appreciate the Frank reply. The church certainly provides latitude when it would be financially irresponsible to have additional children but I would stop there.
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gracepoole
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LGBT rights being rolled back, destroying public education via DeVos, eliminating the ACA with nothing concrete to replace it, refusing to acknowledge climate change, etc.
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gracepoole
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Does that mean that a priest who places an aborted fetus on an altar during Mass speaks for the pro-life movement? (I hope not. If it does, I guess I don’t belong to that group anymore
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gracepoole
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Extraordinary. We may be alone here, Sy, but I salute these women.
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sallybutler
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What if I don’t want her
Can’t I be a liberal with out having to take responsibility for every idiot on the left just as you shouldn’t have to take responsibility for every idiot on the right?
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RCinMT
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Things like inclusivity are out the window when the organizers disinvited pro-life groups. That’s not being open to dialogue or being inclusive. The sisters were invited because they choose to turn their respective gaze on something other than life issues. To me, it’s fine to focus efforts on other important issues but it’s in violation of Church teaching and doctrine not to oppose abortion or to collaborate with it. Going to a march that rejected pro-life groups, featured anti-Catholic rhetoric, vile speeches, etc. and saying that they don’t care or mind the message it sends is quite troubling.
If you’re posting this thinking it will send a message to Catholics that this is okay, I am afraid you’ll fail. There are plenty of nuns who do things, even support things, that are anathema and antithetical to Church teaching.
I love the article stating that Planned Parenthood is the “target” of pro-life groups. Gee, why is that?
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Sy_Noe
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Like these 4 women?
Sr. Jo’Ann De Quattro made her travel arrangements from California to Washington, D.C., last summer because she thought she would be attending Hillary Clinton’s inauguration. De Quattro said she plans on carrying a sign at the Women’s March that will say: “Sisters of the Holy Names, We Stand for Migrants and We Are All Immigrants.” The sign will include a picture of De Quattro’s paternal Italian family.
“The values of the person that will be inaugurated are not the values that I hold dear,” De Quattro said. “I’m not going to the inauguration because I believe that as it is, our country is deeply divided, and so to go to the inauguration would indicate either I support the person being inaugurated or I oppose. To express that opposition, I’d have to brave supporters of this person … I want to march with like-minded people who value inclusivity and respect, women’s rights, welcoming difference and diversity.”
Also among the attendees will be other Catholic sisters from across the country, including Social Service Sr. Simone Campbell, executive director of NETWORK, a national Catholic social justice lobby headquartered in Washington that focuses on nonviolent solutions to conflict and shaping federal policies and structures to benefit everyone, including immigrants.“It’s as much about solidarity with each other, that we have each other’s backs,” Campbell said. "It’s about building community. We will not be afraid.
Campbell said she has accepted an invitation from the Women’s March on Washington organizers to speak at the rally. “It’s about mending the gaps among us,” Campbell said. “It doesn’t have to be this way, but we can make change happen by staying engaged. … This is a time where business as usual won’t work, and I really think that what we all need is to be very reflective — and I call it contemplative — and listen for when the Spirit nudges and act on what we hear. That’s my most urgent message to the faith community. It’s a time not like any other I know, so we have to engage differently to make sure that all have a chance to live in dignity. It’s actually a very Pope Francis message.”
Several sisters from Sisters of Providence of St. Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana, plan on attending the D.C. Women’s March, including Sr. Barbara Battista.
“It’s about showing solidarity and being positive at this time,” Battista said. She will be going to D.C. on a bus with fellow sisters and students of St. Mary-of-the-Woods College.
Sr. Kathleen Desautels, also a Sister of Providence of St. Mary-of-the-Woods, will drive to D.C. for the Women’s March from Chicago with four members of the 8th Day Center for Justice, where she works. The center is a Catholic social justice organization that works to promote equality by eliminating the root causes of systemic oppression and serves as a voice for marginalized people.
“My effort is to stand up and to be a voice for what is just and right for those that are most on the margins, and so I join this particular march to join others who believe that justice must prevail,” Desautels said. “I’m doing it to be with people that I feel will be energized by the same spirit of wanting to stand up for those that are going to be most affected by the policies that this new administration is proposing.”
Dozens of organizations are sponsoring the Women’s March, including environmental and educational groups such as the Sierra Club and Girls Who Code. Planned Parenthood, a nonprofit organization often targeted by pro-life groups, is also an official sponsor. Campbell, De Quattro, Battista and Desautels said they do not have a problem with pro-choice organizations sponsoring the event.
All four sisters said they welcome the open dialogue among people with different beliefs.
“If anything, our presence will lift up the full aspect of all of life,” Campbell said. “That’s who we are, that’s what we’re about. The idea that you can’t talk to people who have a different perspective in a democracy … that, to me, is wrong. We’ve got to engage, and that’s why we’re going.”
globalsistersreport.org/news/we-have-each-others-backs-we-will-not-be-afraid-44496
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Beautiful
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Campbell - from nuns on a bus - is funded by George Soros
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