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“Maria 2.0” founder: Women’s consecration is only an interim solution]: Church critic calls for the end of all church hierarchies

“Maria 2.0” founder: Women’s consecration is only an interim solution

The ordination of women to priesthood is repeatedly demanded in the Catholic Church. For the co-founder of “Maria 2.0” this is only an interim solution. She doesn’t believe “that Jesus wanted to build a priesthood at all.”

Oberursel / Münster - February 15th, 2020

The co-founder of the “Maria 2.0” movement, Lisa Kötter, wishes for a church without hierarchies. [Consecration offices for women] are only an “interim solution” and “mitigation of injustice”, she told the magazine “Publik-Forum” on Friday.

Jesus broke with all hierarchies. “I don’t see that Jesus even wanted to build a priesthood,” said Kötter. " No bishop has ever been able to prove that to me." [Only with the rise of Christianity] to the state religion did the church conclude a “pact with power”.

The Church should "take to the streets with the Fridays for Future"

Kötter spoke of the Catholic Church looking backwards. It runs “always a hundred years behind, is lukewarm and limp and cold”. Instead, according to her words, the church should denounce, rush forward and “go on the streets with the Fridays for Future”, the artist demands.

“Maria 2.0” declined a request from those involved to participate in the reform process of the Catholic Church in Germany, [the Synodeln Weg]. “As part of the Synodal Way, we could no longer discuss openly, but would have to keep our feet still for the duration of this two-year process,” said Kötter."

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I don’t know how anyone could say this.

So apparently we should just do away with doctrine, a hierarchy etc.

What this Maria 2.0 organisation is saying is utterly ridiculous.
 
Katholisch.de is the official website of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany.

I think that it is because a Catholic woman in Germany actually believes this. That Holy Orders, the Sacraments are pointless and that the Church should become like a Unitarian church.
 
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I am sure there are Catholic women, and Catholic men, in USA and everyplace else who believe this also. Just because they have this vision for the Church it does not mean that the Church is going to accommodate it.
The Unitarian church here is up the street from the Catholic church, someone who wants this Unitarian concept is free to go there.
 
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I agree.

I also wonder why people like this lady in Germany actually stay part of the Catholic Church. Why do they want to do that? What is the point in their eyes? Why don’t they just join another religion if they’ve such a problem with what their Church teaches.
 
I also understand that the Catholic Church will not give into these demands.

It just annoys me that some people like this woman in Germany try and convince the Church to change the doctrine, which cannot happen.
 
catholic03 said:
a Catholic woman in Germany actually believes this.
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There is a point at which you stop being Catholic if you don’t believe Catholic teachings, and it is dishonest to pretend you are. A bit like saying “I am a communist who doesn’t believe in the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange”
 
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Canonically she is a Catholic, just like Nancy Pelosi and others.

Once baptised, one is always a Catholic. Even if they don’t follow Church teachings.
 
By that logic, Luther died a Catholic and so did all his followers. Therefore all the people they baptised, and the people they baptised and so on to the present day, were and are Catholic.

That is not the teaching of the Church.
 
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Correct. Ask a priest. Canonically Luther was a Catholic when he died.
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A schismatic Catholic but nonetheless, baptised, confirmed etc but actually less so than Henry VIII (who had no intention of starting a separate denomination but just wanted a certain amount of autonomy - okay a lot of autonomy but still…). There’s no way of formally leaving the Church even if you start your own denomination we still claim you as our own which means that there’s always a pathway back. In the same way, names are never struck from the baptismal register - you can’t be unbaptised,
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If she doesn’t agree with the Church no one obliges her to stay.
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But leaving would ruin all her fun! After all, if she left and started her own Church (besides having to deal with all of the mundane problems that come along with running a church) she’d have nothing left to fight about. Being on the inside fighting for change - no matter how futile the cause might be - gives people a sense of purpose.
 
That is only step one in my argument. Do you think that all Protestants are Catholics and indeed all spinoff denominations whose baptism is canonically valid are also Catholic? What, in your view, would a person have to do to not be a Catholic once baptised into any of these sects?
 
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schismatic Catholic but nonetheless, baptised,
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Would you therefore disagree with Ignatius of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrnaeans (2) in which he referred to docetist heretics:

“certain unbelievers maintain, that He only seemed to suffer, as they themselves only seem to be Christians".
 
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No I wouldn’t because Ignatius was writing about the incarnation in response to docetism - no incarnation means no suffering. What Ignatius is saying is that their belief set them at odds with the true teaching of the Church and thus they only seem to be believers. He isn’t however denying the validity of their baptism which, once validly administered, is irreversible because it leaves an indelible mark on the soul. So even your average docetist is still (presumably) Catholic, just not very good at it!
 
Ah, but no one is saying that someone’s baptism is invalidated. You can have a valid baptism (all Christians do) and still not be Catholic.
 
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