Marijuana = Sinfull?

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I believe that those who use marijuana are complicit in all of the crime that goes into its production, transportation, and distribution. That includes the murders, kidnappings, and the families destroyed by involvement, voluntary or not, in this criminal enterprise. So, is that worth the "good feelings "? In light of this, it seems that marijuana dulls the conscience in addition to the other things it purports to do.
 
I believe that those who use marijuana are complicit in all of the crime that goes into its production, transportation, and distribution. That includes the murders, kidnappings, and the families destroyed by involvement, voluntary or not, in this criminal enterprise. So, is that worth the "good feelings "? In light of this, it seems that marijuana dulls the conscience in addition to the other things it purports to do.
Very good point dear friend. I agree. We accept responsibility for all you mention if we support this industry in an illegal way. Supervised Medicinal use excepted.

God bless:)
 
I believe that those who use marijuana are complicit in all of the crime that goes into its production, transportation, and distribution. That includes the murders, kidnappings, and the families destroyed by involvement, voluntary or not, in this criminal enterprise. So, is that worth the "good feelings "? In light of this, it seems that marijuana dulls the conscience in addition to the other things it purports to do.
So the Christian thing to do is to legalize and regulate marijuana which would instantly stop the violence. This was the main reason alcohol prohibition was ended. The murder rate in America fell in half the year after prohibition ended. It was the Mormon state of Utah that pushed legalization of alcohol through, and they don’t even drink. But appearently they do think.
 
If you believe the Catholic ideology is that eating a herb is a sin, then I question where it is written in the bible. It may be the ideology of some people, but it is not the decree of God. Your negative experience does not seem to be just from marijuana, but from more harder drugs. Please do not assume that marijuana is a path to other drugs for other people. The prohibition of marijuana is what is evil, not the plant. A prohibition seeded in greed is not from God, just from Man. It appears that they have done well to convience you to turn away from a plant they can not profit from. In Corporate America We Trust.

I respect you situation, appearently you have an addictive personality, if you believe it is a sin for yourself, then by all means resist. I believe that God knows what is in your heart, and by that you will be judged. If Mother Teresa was smoking a joint every night after feeding the hungry, I doubt she would burn in Hell. If that is the logic of your God, then we pray to different Gods. There is only one God, so only after we die will we know if what men have taught you was the word of God, or the word of Man.

In either case, God be with you, and reguardless, marijuana is not right for you and you should continue to avoid it. p
First of all I think it is great for all who discuss these kinds of things to try to get closer to God. I can only think that God would appreciate those who try to understand what he wants us to do to stay in his grace.

Secondly I think you should ask yourself if you serve God best when and if you are smoking pot. Are you giving Christ your best. I think that marijuana is a tough choice to make because it seems like it lingers in the grey of sinful or not. But I know that when I am smoking pot I am (personally) less acute in my judgement and mental focus. I also feel a bit more lathargic than normal. I don’t know how exactly you feel on it, that’s just me. Life does seem easier and more peacefull/serene on marijuana, but is that reality? Do I need that barrier between reality and myself to stay at peace? I have made my own choice and my stand and God willing I will continue to be able to keep in Christ’s grace and dicipline. And I realize there are other sins that are more deadly. That doesn’t dissuade me from wanting to know about marijuana and it’s view from the eyes of God. May God bless all of us in the quest for Christ’s truth.
 
I don’t often post on these boards but I am somewhat interested in this subject as my friends and I discuss it often. I tend to ride the middle on this issue for these reasons:
  1. I find that “any substance that harms your body is wrong” is a terrible justification as to why marijuana is wrong. Why? I believe it has quite clearly proven that smoking tobacco causes harm to your body and yet it is still acceptable “in moderation.” Why? It wasn’t known that smoking tobacco was bad for you prior to people starting, and once everyone was ‘hooked,’ it was hard to tell them to stop and alienate them when it was highly addictive. The same goes for alcohol but more so for tobacco… you might live just as long smoking tobacco but I can guarantee that I could outrun you and any doctor will find my veins faster!
  2. With Cactus’s argument: “I believe that those who use marijuana are complicit in all of the crime…”, I am guessing Cactus never purchased oil, a diamond, or any number of other things which have been equally destructive to human life. The fact of the matter is that if this is your philosophy I truly hope you are living without electricity in the middle of the woods growing your own food. Oh and that computer you are using? It will eventually end up in Guiyu, China…along with all the other electronic goods we get rid of. Are you guilty of the deaths/disease found there because of your garbage?
  3. It most certainly has benefits for people with chronic pain. Any pain killer has side effects, but compared to others marijuana is favorable to others. The laws in this area are changing for the better imho.
Opposing these arguments, and the reason why I “ride the middle” are these:
  1. Anyone who says marijuana isn’t addictive is lying. Just like any drug people, although not physically addicted, can become mentally dependent on it. They like the feeling so they continue it. Sure they can “stop any time.” but that doesn’t prevent them from toking out every day after work.
  2. It’s currently against the law! Sure it may seem harmless, but regardless if you want to consider yourself a ‘law abiding citizen,’ then you shouldn’t be doing it! If you do not agree with the laws, then work to change them, but do not break the law… that will not help your credibility.
Either way, at this current juncture I think it is right to say that you shouldn’t be doing it. It may be ‘fun’ but I have seen people lose jobs and be put in jail because of it. Is it worth that? You don’t need a drug to have fun, you just need to get more creative. That’s my ‘two cents’.

-Kevin

P.S. I should also mention due to chronic asthma/bronchitis problems I have never, and will never smoke anything.
 
If you believe the Catholic ideology is that eating a herb is a sin, then I question where it is written in the bible. It may be the ideology of some people, but it is not the decree of God. Your negative experience does not seem to be just from marijuana, but from more harder drugs. Please do not assume that marijuana is a path to other drugs for other people. The prohibition of marijuana is what is evil, not the plant. A prohibition seeded in greed is not from God, just from Man. It appears that they have done well to convience you to turn away from a plant they can not profit from. In Corporate America We Trust.

I respect you situation, appearently you have an addictive personality, if you believe it is a sin for yourself, then by all means resist. I believe that God knows what is in your heart, and by that you will be judged. If Mother Teresa was smoking a joint every night after feeding the hungry, I doubt she would burn in Hell. If that is the logic of your God, then we pray to different Gods. There is only one God, so only after we die will we know if what men have taught you was the word of God, or the word of Man.

In either case, God be with you, and reguardless, marijuana is not right for you and you should continue to avoid it. p
My dear friend

Not everything is written in the bible. The bible was never meant to be a comprehensive guide on morality either. Jesus left us the church and the church lives on until the end of time and teaches all about morality.The church interprets the questions of the day as time passes on and Christ speaks through the church with the authority that is proper to God. He commands all to hear that church. If we will not listen then we must realise we are playing a deadly game. the cost could be our souls. Are we willing to take that risk? It’s a hell of a risk.

God is who he is and not what we want or think him to be. God has given all authority to the church to decide on moral matters and he speaks through that church. Many people are worshipping false Gods because they don’t know the real God.

Man did not teach me it’s wrong to get high for relaxation or fun. God did.

Poison ivy comes from the ground. Should we eat it? Just because God made it does not mean we should smoke it. Supervised medicinal use excepted.

If Mother Teresa smoked weed every night perhaps we would end up seeing 2 or 3 million less people in heaven in the long run.

My friend you have free will and can smoke weed if you want. But are you willing to accept the ultimate price when you die? You have to say I am if you will not look at the facts and listen to the voice of Christ speaking through the church.

The reason why there is so much confusion on this subject is because the world is so powerfully and overwhelmingly in favour of it.

The world is the enemy of Christ. Do not listen to the world.

God bless you friend:thumbsup:🙂
 
So the Christian thing to do is to legalize and regulate marijuana which would instantly stop the violence. This was the main reason alcohol prohibition was ended. The murder rate in America fell in half the year after prohibition ended. It was the Mormon state of Utah that pushed legalization of alcohol through, and they don’t even drink. But appearently they do think.
My dear friend

When abortion was legalised the crime rate in that area almost stopped. But now millions of babies are slaughtered at the tax payers expense. Is legalisation always the solution?

God bless you friend:thumbsup:🙂
 
First of all I think it is great for all who discuss these kinds of things to try to get closer to God. I can only think that God would appreciate those who try to understand what he wants us to do to stay in his grace.

Secondly I think you should ask yourself if you serve God best when and if you are smoking pot. Are you giving Christ your best. I think that marijuana is a tough choice to make because it seems like it lingers in the grey of sinful or not. But I know that when I am smoking pot I am (personally) less acute in my judgement and mental focus. I also feel a bit more lathargic than normal. I don’t know how exactly you feel on it, that’s just me. Life does seem easier and more peacefull/serene on marijuana, but is that reality? Do I need that barrier between reality and myself to stay at peace? I have made my own choice and my stand and God willing I will continue to be able to keep in Christ’s grace and dicipline. And I realize there are other sins that are more deadly. That doesn’t dissuade me from wanting to know about marijuana and it’s view from the eyes of God. May God bless all of us in the quest for Christ’s truth.
My dear friend

Mrijuana in the eyes of God is seen as the church sees it. All authority in heaven and on earth was given to the church. The church says it’s a sin to smoke it or use it for getting high, relaxed etc. Like any sin if you die unrepentant you go to hell. It’s as simple as that unfortunately. Supervised medicinal use excepted.

Most people today are not taking the faith very seriously. We can lose our souls and most people do because of this.

God bless you friend:thumbsup:🙂
 
My dear friend

Mrijuana in the eyes of God is seen as the church sees it. All authority in heaven and on earth was given to the church. The church says it’s a sin to smoke it or use it for getting high, relaxed etc. Like any sin if you die unrepentant you go to hell. It’s as simple as that unfortunately. Supervised medicinal use excepted.

Most people today are not taking the faith very seriously. We can lose our souls and most people do because of this.

God bless you friend:thumbsup:🙂
If you die unrepentant of mortal sin you go to hell, not venial sins. I do take my faith seriously. I’m not trying to defy God here. Quite contrary I’m trying to embrace his ways. There is nothing wrong with challenging the laws of the doctorine of the catholic church, especially in the quest of the truth in my eyes. And I understand the wages of sin is death. I’m trying to get closer to God and I must understand and concur with the laws of my catholic faith or I don’t feel like I’d be true to myself. To me that’s what things like this thread is all about and for. I believe people must understand the logic of the faith and agree with it or it won’t stick. No one will stay diciplined if all they have is a “because I told you so” stance from the church. Faith doesn’t work that way for me at least. I must understand it’s core and agree.

Thanks for the talks. God Bless us all
 
If you die unrepentant of mortal sin you go to hell, not venial sins. I do take my faith seriously. I’m not trying to defy God here. Quite contrary I’m trying to embrace his ways. There is nothing wrong with challenging the laws of the doctorine of the catholic church, especially in the quest of the truth in my eyes. And I understand the wages of sin is death. I’m trying to get closer to God and I must understand and concur with the laws of my catholic faith or I don’t feel like I’d be true to myself. To me that’s what things like this thread is all about and for. I believe people must understand the logic of the faith and agree with it or it won’t stick. No one will stay diciplined if all they have is a “because I told you so” stance from the church. Faith doesn’t work that way for me at least. I must understand it’s core and agree.

Thanks for the talks. God Bless us all
My dear friend

There is a ton of information here to explain what marijuana is and why it’s wrong to use it recreationally and the difference between it and alcohol. If anyone can’t conclude it’s wrong from that then to be sure of salvation one must give the assent of one’s will to the church. Sometimes we don’t understand why the church teaches something but that is a problem for us and we must give assent of the will to the church in this case. God speaks through the church, not thru the world.

A good example is how so many catholic couples are using contraception even though the church has always taught it’s a serious sin, like taking weed is serious as explained. What is going to happen to these people? Can they plead ignorance? It depends on how much effort they made to find the truth and whether they heard the truth. If they know the church teaches it’s a serious sin and their of sound mind their in big trouble if they die unrepentant.

You do need to search for truth and reason, but until you find it you must give assent of your will to the church to be saved. If you think the church is wrong on a moral matter you should search for the reason why it’s right very thoroughly and for very long if needs be. The church is not the product of man, it’s divine.

I hope this helps in the discussion.

God bless you:thumbsup:🙂
 
Marjuana does something to the centres of language in the brain. It also artificially causes a kind of Attention Deficit Disorder. Neither of these can be good for your career.
 
BennyBoy 89 is a wise man. That dream like feeling you experience may make you feel like you are having a spiritual experience, but you are not. It’s just the effects of the drug on your body. If you try recording your experience on a tape recorder and have a spiritual conversation with your friend, you will find that both of you sound like complete idiots when you thought you were having a very deep and intense conversation. My advice- stick with authentic prayer, you will be a much happier and better person for it. On the issue of whether it is okay to smoke it or not, it is like beer, wine, or hard liquor, you can use it, but only in moderation. Don’t lose control. But ask yourself, do you really need marijuana? I know it is a great ice breaker for socializing, but it just isn’t worth it. It won’t bring you true happiness. The happiness it does bring you won’t last, just like masterbation and pornography. It is only temporary. Don’t waste your time. And if you choose not to smoke it, sure you will get sh*t from your friends, but in the long run they will respect you for it and see that you were right. Their smoking habits may not be affecting them seriously know but believe me, it will catch up to them. To sum it up Marijuana is a sin if you smoke it in excess, either too much or in too large of a quantity. Quit letting Satan tell you what you need. You’ve caught it early enough, just get to confession and forget about it. I know married men who smoke marijuana and they just look like idiots.
 
Marijuana alters your consciousness and that is not bad, but people who use it to alter their consciousness or to get a spiritual high are using a physical crutch to get a spiritual experience. You now know the spiritual experience is real so drop the crutch and try to reach it spiritually. The high from marijuana is limited so to break out of the bubble and go to a higher level one must go spiritually. Many have experience different spiritual highs in Christian Mysticism. Good luck and salutations to the Divinity within you.
 
This is something I have always wondered about too. I know a guy who grows and has grown his own pot for about 20+ years for personal, so if I were to theoretically get some from him (which I have not), there wouldn’t be the whole issue of contributing to cartel violence and street violence as a result of the drug trade. As for that bit, watching Deadliest Catch shows that people even die over our demands for delicious Alaskan crabs, though they typically are not murdered over crabbing. Many of the things we enjoy as Americans come at the price of human lives either through accidents or deliberate murder. Unless you make it/grow it/find it yourslef, there is probably a trail of blood following it these days somewhere.

Also, I drink and I smoke tobacco. Now, for me, 2 beers is plenty for a good buzz and I stop there. As for smoking, I can smoke a cigarette, a cigar, or a pipe and not want any more for a month. I don’t have an addictive personality like that. I know I am not special and have managed to get the only cigarettes on Earth that somehow seem to be lacking in the nicotine which makes them addictive, so it must be something mental or emotion or biological on my end to cause me to not crave this product as so many seem to. Even the consumption of minor ammounts of alcohol and tobacco and cause the user to have altered personalities and judgement. I for one feel bolder and more outgoing while I am typically a reserved person. So, are these things in and of themselves sinful because they incline me to behave against my normal ways of behavior? Maybe, maybe not. I would say no. My friends and I typically just do these things in a social way to sit around and have a good time. They do gladden the heart.

I dont see how one must necessarily use marijuana for the expressed purpose of attaining high levels of spiritual awareness. I could say that the high I get off a good cigar (and believe me, I do) does the same thing, but really it just makes me lightheaded and dizzy and loopy. I reckon some could smoke marijuana for the same reason people drink or smoke tobacco: to gladden the heart. Of course it isn’t condemned or praised in the Bible because no one knew about it or didn’t care to mention it back then. No one was making liquor either back then, but many a monastery in the past and present has made a living off of the stuff which is arguably “worse” than beer or wine because of it’s potency.

It is also illegal to give someone in this country beer if they are 20. If I were to go to England, I could go to a pub with my 18 year old cousin and buy him a tall pint because it is legal there. I asked a priest his opinion on the matter, having some 20 year old friends who want a cold one or two after a stressful week what he thought, and he told us that it is only “wrong” because it is illegal in this country, not because it is actually wrong in and of itself. The issue of marijuana is something to consider very carefully. I believe it all comes down to intention, outside of the law that is. You have to ask yourself why you are using it, how it affects you, and if you can justify its use any more or less than anything else (like smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol). There are other things on this earth that can be addicting, are legal, and can disrupt our relationship with God (porn, gossip, playing video games all the time, pigging out all day) that I think these make smoking a joint with your buddies once a week or once a month pale in comparrison. As for going in the woods being seen as hiding from God as someone suggested, most early hermits tended to “hide” in caves too, but I doubt this was to escape God…Besides, the woods on campus here are a heck of a better place to be than many others, no mater your state of mind… if you do things while smoking that you would not do while not smoking, especially sinful things, then definately stay away.

Im not saying you should smoke it or not. Just think it through and be ready to accept full responsibility for your actions, which very well may lead to health issues or legal issuse.
 
My dear friends
Check this…
Luke.21

33
] Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
34] “But take heed to yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a snare;
35] for it will come upon all who dwell upon the face of the whole earth.
36] But watch at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that will take place, and to stand before the Son of man.”

Luke.12

16
] And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man brought forth plentifully;
17] and he thought to himself, What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?' **18**] And he said, I will do this: I will pull down my barns, and build larger ones; and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19] And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; take your ease, eat, drink, be merry.’
20] But God said to him, `Fool! This night your soul is required of you; and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’
21] So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.”

The guiding principle here and in many places is that God wants us sober. No matter what the intoxicating drug is sobriety is what God wants. Marijuana is a narcotic and hallucinogenic and you won’t have this sobriey God wants if you smoke it.

Can anyone name any prophet, pope, father, doctor of the church or any of the 10,000 odd canonised saints who did not practise and preach the importance of sobriety?
I doubt we can name one who though they did drink a bit occasionally was not a sober person. Not one.

God bless and peace to you all:thumbsup:🙂
 
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On an interesting note, I believe Pope Leo XIII and Pope Saint Pius X were known to enjoy Vin Mariani, a wine that I believe was made with about 7mg of Cocaine per fluid oz…

But things change with time.
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So let me get this straight…something can not be sinful until it is illegal and then it is a sin? a substance that grows naturally and has been used medicinally and recreationally for thousands of years is now demonized? it sounds to me like some of you are mixed up in dual-patriarchal tyranny of both the american government and God. Marijuana is far more innocuous and safer than alcohol or cigarettes and people should know this. Clearly it is not a gateway drug…this antiquated notion always pops up amongst people who’ve never tried any drugs before. Just like alcohol, if you use too much marijuana at any time it can be unpleasant. However, a couple hits of a high quality strain will make you feel at peace and alive while surfing, skiing, painting, writing, observing, boating, etc. There are many beneficial aspects of smoking marijuana that are now seeing the light of day.

Does anyone realize marijuana was first made illegal back in the 30s because our government was concered about giving a cash crop to encroaching mexicans and blacks? think about the financial hit that law enforcement, tobacco, and big pharma (who is pumping us full of legal drugs that are bad for us that we dont need) would take if marijuana became legal? this is not a question of morality, it’s a question of political motives. if any of you have never smoked marijuana, please try it for yourself before stating things that scientific reasearch has disproven: myths such as “it’s bad for your health, it’s a gateway drug, etc, etc” read a website that’s not the DEA’s and you’ll get a better idea. anyone who thinks smoking some weed now and then is sinful behavoir is not embracing all that life and the earth is giving us.
 
So let me get this straight…something can not be sinful until it is illegal and then it is a sin?
Read your New Testament. It is a sin to be disobedient to your government on issues that are morally neutral (as the issue of marjuana is).

Here in Canada, it is possible to get marjuana for medicinal purposes, and hemp (the stalk of the marjuana plant) is used in a variety of perfectly legal industries. But the recreational use of marjuana has no particular medicinal benefit - people can easily live without it.

In large doses, it has the same risks of lung disease and brain damage that are associated with the excessive consumption of tobacco and alcohol - it’s not “harmless” in the sense that you could take as much as you wanted and not permanently damage your brain and your lungs.

In addition to that, even in small doses, it also confuses the senses and impairs good judgment (making you an easy mark for thieves), and lowers productivity in workers, even several days after they smoked up, and these seem to me to be good enough reasons not to get high on it, even if it were legal.

So, given that we are required to obey our government when what they require does not go against the moral law, and given that provisions are already in place for medicinal and practical uses of the plant, it doesn’t seem like too much of a burden simply to do as we are required by the law to do.

On a side note, it’s interesting to me that we as a society have made the greatest leaps in scientific and business progress after drugs like cocain were made illegal. It seems as if people really do make wiser decisions when they’re sober most of the time. 😉
 
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On an interesting note, I believe Pope Leo XIII and Pope Saint Pius X were known to enjoy Vin Mariani, a wine that I believe was made with about 7mg of Cocaine per fluid oz…

But things change with time.
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My dear friend
Good old coca cola had a link to cocaine but it was not sinful to drink it through ignorance, and in small doses it’s not always sinful. As an example strong pain tablets can contain codeine which is an opiate. I’m sure our great Holy Father of today would have no problem taking these pain tablets if needs be. Food for thought.

I think we should get high, but get high on grace or God.

God bless all:)
 
i like this conversation and its not easy not like everybody thinks, this boy needs help, very much and not people hurting he needs love i know it a recomforting answer
 
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