Except for that little belief that Jesus is also Fully Human. Which means He has a human mind that is completely separate from His Divine Will. The human mind learns only what it learns and only what His Divinity reveals to Him.
He should have a divine mind then too shouldn’t he? I mean, after all, he’s both fully human and fully divine.
Sorry, I can’t do that this time. I am much happier as an Eclectic Wiccan.
It is more exciting this way. Maybe He kept it secret for the beauty of secrecy.
I’m confused now.
How so?I’m confused now.
The Son existed with God before creation?
The Creator is the same as He has always been.
Yes, but this is not a plural of numbers but a plural of respect. The Jews didn’t believe that God was 3 divine persons either. So this is not a proof that ‘others’ were with God assisting each other in making creation.
With this definition,then Jesus(peace be upon him) should have known when the Hour was because according to what was stated above#2], Jesus is God in ‘every sense’.
Again if they are each ‘God in every sense’ then that means that all of them became flesh because you said that the Definition of God = Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that each of these are God in ‘every sense’.
Isn’t this because God didn’t reveal it to him(Jesus)? or God didn’t intend God to reveal the time??
I thought the Catholics believe that Jesus(peace be upon him) was God?
Jesus Christ is the creator of heaven and earth and is God from God,light from light,true God from true God,He is also the light of the world and the word of God - perhaps it is not possible or expected for man to fully comprehend God - twinc
I think you are right Twinc. I don’t think that man is expected fully comprehend God. The Trinity is a mystery after all. Not even the doctors of the Church have ever fully understood the Trinity.
So your trying to tell me that God, The Ever-Living, died on a cross?
**1st question: **Yes, Jesus died. Somebody would be immortal not because that somebody never died, but because death has no power over that somebody. So Christ is still immortal even if He died, because what makes Him immortal is not that He never died, but because death has no power over Him. So even if He would have died 100 times, the fact that He can ressurect is what makes Him immortal. Let’s say that a person has killed another person 123 times, and another 123 times that person that was killed resurrected, and it will keep resurrecting. Are you telling me that this person is not immortal because the person died? Isn’t resurrecting every time what makes the person immortal? It is the same with Jesus. What makes Him immortal is the fact that death could not reign over Him, but He enslaved death. What makes Jesus immortal is the fact that He resurrected. This proves that death has no power over Him, and that He is immortal.
this is exactly right, and so simple. Jesus had two minds, the divine mind knew everything, the human brain didn’t. when he came to earth he was using his human brain, he had a kind of amnesia or selective amnisia, he could only remeber some things that happened with him but not everything.
Do you have anything to back up your assertion that Jesus had a kind of amnesia or selective amnesia while on earth? Cause honestly, I don’t believe it.
You cannot force a wrong definition into a word. You said ‘Christ is still immortal even if he died’
Your saying the same thing over again. The definition of resurrect is to be ‘raised from the dead’ meaning that whatever died was deprived of life. Even for the sake of argument, the person keeps coming back to life, the fact is he/she still died. The Creator can never be described with these Attributes. It is impossible for God to die.
If the man was asked ‘are you your wife’ he would say ‘no!’ and vise versa.
You say that they are ‘not a single being’ yet you said when Jesus died it meant that God died too.
It would have been better if you stopped at ‘there is only one God,’. You say that The One God is ‘composed’. This means, and I seek refuge in Allah from this, that He was put together. His parts were arranged in order to specify Him.The Creator is The One Who composes i.e.,arranges everything, but He is not composed because whatever is composed has a Creator to specify how it should be.
Yes, as did the Holy Spirit.
From the moment He created all that we are aware of, He has always been Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
We only know what God has chosen to reveal about Himself in Scripture. To use a very poor analogy, consider identical triplets. They are all the same BEING (i.e. - human), but they are definitely three individual PERSONS (even with the same DNA, they have different finger prints, and will develop different likes, personalities, interests, etc…). God is one BEING (there is only one God), but there are three PERSONS (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in that one BEING of God. Of course, God is much more complex than humans (which is why this is a poor analogy). Consider this - if the Father and the Son did exactly the same things, one of them would be unnecessary. However, it appears that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit agreed on a seperation of “jobs” (for lack of a better term) in the creation that we are part of. Why God did this, we do not know, but the result is that the Father knows something that Jesus doesn’t. Could Jesus find out? I have no doubt that He could (I find nothing in Scripture to indicate that the Father would withhold anything from the Son). So why didn’t Jesus find out and let us know? Because God is smarter than we are! There have been instances when people thought the Lord was coming back on a specific day. They sold everything they had, went to a mountain top (or a very large hill, anyway) and waited for His return. God doesn’t want us to do that. Instead (as He makes clear in the Scriptures), we are to be good stewards of the time we have. This is also why the Holy Spirit doesn’t know (but, again, I have no doubt He could find out if He so desired).
It was the “job” (for lack of a better term) of Jesus to be born as a human being (the incarnation), not the Father or the Holy Spirit. However, Paul tells us in Col 2:9 that “for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,” (ASV). So, in this way, the Father and Holy Spirit are represented in the flesh through Jesus (the Son). But again, only the Son was incarnate.
Since we are created within time and matter, what distinguishes us as seperate persons is a visible beginning, middle, and end. If we we look at life that is not created, life that has always been, life with no beginning middle or end, no matter how many distinct divine persons exist within that life, we are only able to see one being, one person.
