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TwoTurtles
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Is it possible for two lay people who have made a promise of chastity to God to marry each other and live chastely for life?
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Bookcat
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All Christians (all persons) are to be Chaste. Married or not.
I think you mean “live in continence” where they exchange the right to marital relations but do not then act upon such but “live in continence” in their marriage for the sake of the kingdom.
Yes it is. (but such is on the very rare side vocation wise )
I think you mean “live in continence” where they exchange the right to marital relations but do not then act upon such but “live in continence” in their marriage for the sake of the kingdom.
Yes it is. (but such is on the very rare side vocation wise )
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TwoTurtles
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Thank you. Yes I think living in continence is what I meant.
God bless
God bless
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Castello
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Only to be entered into under spiritual direction, and if either party requests the marital debt the other is bound to comply.
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TrueLight
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But can you enter the marriage not planning on having sex?
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Vico
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It seems like that depends upon what planning means. The marital consent will be absent if one does not grant the right to moral and licit conjugal relations to the spouse. Not exercising that right does not change the validity.
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centurionguard
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Agreed; if their was never was an intent by both spouses to consummate (have sexual relations) from a procreative aspect before the actual marriage wouldn’t that invalidate the marriage itself?
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couponfit
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Yes! Joseph and Mary!
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Castello
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A Josephite Marriage, the two - under spiritual direction - decide not to consummate the marriage is the name for this situation. The parents of The Little Flower entered such a marriage.
When either spouse requests relations, the other is required to give up the Josephite part of the marriage and render the debt thus entering a regular marriage. The Pastor/Spiritual director may also determine it is time for the couple to begin marital relations (as I’m pretty sure was the case with St Therese’s parents).
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Bookcat
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Yes of course
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Luvtosew
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Then how did Little Flower get here?
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Luna_Lovecraft
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mrtruthandlife
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The Catechism clearly says the purpose of Marriage is raising children for God. …but they don’t have to be your biological children and they don’t have to be young. The “religious” are married to the Church and together they raise children of all ages. …no intercourse allowed. …except for Deacons who were already married… and some Orthodox orders. 
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Castello
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theotokos.org.uk/pages/breviews/francisp/fholbock.html
“The author begins his account with the most holy marriage of all, that of Our Lady and St Joseph, rightly defending it as a real marriage, though lived virginally by mutual consent. The term ‘Josephite’ is then used to describe later saintly unions that followed this rare form of married love. To a post-Freudian mindset, such a decision at the outset of matrimony, must seem at least unnatural, at worst perverse. It can only be understood in a Christian context. A recent example of such a Josephite marriage is that of Blessed Bartolo Longo, who died in 1926, and his wife, Marianna de Fusco. United in good works for the Church, they chose to sacrifice the conjugal expression of their love ‘for the sake of the kingdom of heaven’. Others, like the saintly parents of St Therese, Louis and Zelie Martin, practised conjugal continence until directed by their confessor to raise children for the glory of God.”
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Vico
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Actually no, as long as they do not intend to withhold the reasonable, moral, and licit request for the conjugal act. The object of consent is defined through CIC can. 1061.1 “conjugal act in itself apt for the generation of offspring”. *An unconsummated yet valid marriage may be dissolved. *
**Canon 1061.1 A valid marriage between baptised persons is said to be merely ratified, if it is not consummated; ratified and consummated, if the spouses have in a human manner engaged together in a conjugal act in itself apt for the generation of offspring. To this act marriage is by its nature ordered and by it the spouses become one flesh.
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PrayRosary
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Lol I was thinking the same thing.
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dochawk
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Substantially all non-monastic Orthodox priests; some churches require marriage before non-monastic ordination, and it is the norm in all.The “religious” are married to the Church and together they raise children of all ages. …no intercourse allowed. …except for Deacons who were already married… and some Orthodox orders.
Don’t forget Eastern Catholic, for whom, outside of the US it is the norm, and the situation is slowly being restored in the US.
And former Lutheran and Episcopalian married clergy converted to Catholicism (There are more married RC priests in the US than married EC and EO priests put together!).
hawk
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