Marriage Issue - Lost and Confused

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Dear bernadettefaith,

Reading your many posts and an equal number of responses has left me feeling emotionally upset and helpless as to what I might say to improve your situation or lighten your burden. I can’t think of a single word that will be of any assistance. So tonight, when I read the Bible, I will keep you in my prayers and ask the Holy Spirit to enter your life, both yours and your husband’s, so that the two of you might feel the same peace and serenity I have experienced by such an encounter.

<<He says that he feels loved by me. However, he says that he cannot love me back.>>

For now, his heart is closed. He recognizes your emotional attachment to him and your love, but he cannot reciprocate. Many men express their love through sexuality. The truth is love does not require an outlet of this kind, for love is the providence of the heart, not the libido.

<<However, he still claims that he is afraid of me…I did get angry at times but this hasn’t happened in at least a year.>>

Anger, even when not directed at one’s spouse, can be damaging; it can destroy the illusion of love and beauty, and once expressed, the experience of which can be difficult to erase from one’s memory.

I feel you already know this lesson well.

A feeling of helplessness causes us to experience anger, even rage. In your case, your parent’s expression of anger hasn’t helped your situation.

The best we can do is to recognize the triggers and stop the anger before it turns into a tsunami. If we must blow off steam, it’s best to do so in private in order to release the pent up psychic energy before others are hurt by our furry. Then we can have a more rational discussion if our anger involves a loved one.

In the final analysis, it requires considerable ego strength to resist the temptation to fly off the handle before the facts are known so we can better gauge our response.

<<The counselor believes he has PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) from the way I acted.>>

Your counselor may be overstating the case and pathologizing where PTSD does not exist. By what you’ve described, your husband doesn’t seem to fit the profile.

<<He also told the counselor that he has a lot of regrets. He wishes he would have been with other women before me (never dated anyone else). He says he doesn’t want to drag me down with all of his regrets but he also isn’t quick to forgive.>>

And that’s your fault? His anger toward you is due to his regrets for not having sex with other women. That’s what it sounds like to me. Does he want to use women as sex objects to repeal his feeling regretful. That Neanderthal solution will only bring him more grief, not less.

God didn’t create women to be sex toys. His regret comment smacks of phallic narcissism.

He claims he doesn’t want to drag you down with his regrets, but that’s exactly what he has done.

<<He says that I have improved and there’s nothing left for me to change. He feels that it’s on him to forgive and he doesn’t know if he can…I fear that he is trying to keep coming up with excuses to stay mad.>>

Bingo! He’s using your past outbursts as an excuse to look elsewhere. If he forgives you, his reason for leaving would evaporate.

<<He says he was never happy with our marriage…He says that he hasn’t loved me since before we even set a wedding date but he wanted to have children with me.>>

So when he married you he didn’t love you? Then he lied to you from the very beginning. The rest of his statement is simply absurd.

<<He’s mentioned that he couldn’t get dates other than me when he was overweight.>>

How insulting and insensitive. What are you chopped liver?

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Because he believes he can attract a hot career woman who makes oodles of cash, lives in a big house, and drives, what, a BMW?

<<I’d personally stay in a loveless, sexless marriage over getting a divorce.>>

It pains me to no end to hear this. I know a woman who has done what you have suggested and she is very unhappy about her decision.

<<Exactly! Neither of us has a problem with the other’s physical traits. In fact, he worries that he married me only because he thinks I’m beautiful.>>

Wow! What a revelation. Girl, it’s time to show your husband that you are truly multidimensional. You’ve already done it here on this bulletin board by pouring out your heart. Believe me you have considerable depth.

<<They talk about their party days in college and the girls they slept with…He doesn’t feel like we have much to brag about.>>

To brag about what? You must be joking, right? Life is not high school. He needs to graduate, and soon.

The only advice I can give is to stay the course with marriage counseling. Give it six months. I pray that all will turn out well.

God bless
 
Julianna said:

“Live with a woman…maybe…but marry…no way.”

Lots of guys remarry…and remarry…and remarry, especially if they are convinced that happiness is simply a matter of finding the right woman, rather than being the right man.

bernadettefaith said:

“I don’t know that he really just went through the motions the entire time. That’s what he says now but I don’t necessarily believe everything he’s been saying. I don’t think he’s that great of an actor.”

That sounds right. I think he’s depressed and his current feelings are coloring his memories of the past.

“The counselor just keeps saying that I must have been extremely angry to make him feel this way. I don’t get it. I’m racking my brain and I don’t even recall what specific events he refers to. I’ve thrown fits and he’s thrown fits. I know it hasn’t happened in a very long time. Maybe he is just playing a crazy mind game. I don’t know. I hope she helps us get to the bottom of it.”

Or maybe he’s just kind of a chicken.

Julianna said:

“To make “him” feel this way. How about your feelings…when you find out the love of your life had to be dragged kicking and screaming into marriage and didn’t have the courage to tell you until now…Now that you have become “totally” dependent on him. And knows it.”

I don’t think he did–this is all post facto. As BF suspects, I think he’s reading his past through the lens of the present.

From everything bernadettefaith has said, I think her husband is pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get. I seriously don’t think he’s capable of faking things for the better part of a decade. I think the timing on this is very suspicious, that it comes just at the roughest time in most people’s marriage, namely the birth of a second child. I don’t think you need to look any further for an explanation than there.
 
I feel you already know this lesson well.

A feeling of helplessness causes us to experience anger, even rage. In your case, your parent’s expression of anger hasn’t helped your situation.

The best we can do is to recognize the triggers and stop the anger before it turns into a tsunami. If we must blow off steam, it’s best to do so in private in order to release the pent up psychic energy before others are hurt by our furry. Then we can have a more rational discussion if our anger involves a loved one.

In the final analysis, it requires considerable ego strength to resist the temptation to fly off the handle before the facts are known so we can better gauge our response.

<<The counselor believes he has PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) from the way I acted.>>

Your counselor may be overstating the case and pathologizing where PTSD does not exist. By what you’ve described, your husband doesn’t seem to fit the profile.

<<He also told the counselor that he has a lot of regrets. He wishes he would have been with other women before me (never dated anyone else). He says he doesn’t want to drag me down with all of his regrets but he also isn’t quick to forgive.>>

And that’s your fault? His anger toward you is due to his regrets for not having sex with other women. That’s what it sounds like to me. Does he want to use women as sex objects to repeal his feeling regretful. That Neanderthal solution will only bring him more grief, not less.

God didn’t create women to be sex toys. His regret comment smacks of phallic narcissism.

He claims he doesn’t want to drag you down with his regrets, but that’s exactly what he has done.

<<He says that I have improved and there’s nothing left for me to change. He feels that it’s on him to forgive and he doesn’t know if he can…I fear that he is trying to keep coming up with excuses to stay mad.>>

Bingo! He’s using your past outbursts as an excuse to look elsewhere. If he forgives you, his reason for leaving would evaporate.

<<He says he was never happy with our marriage…He says that he hasn’t loved me since before we even set a wedding date but he wanted to have children with me.>>

So when he married you he didn’t love you? Then he lied to you from the very beginning. The rest of his statement is simply absurd.

<<He’s mentioned that he couldn’t get dates other than me when he was overweight.>>

How insulting and insensitive. What are you chopped liver?

<>

Because he believes he can attract a hot career woman who makes oodles of cash, lives in a big house, and drives, what, a BMW?

<<I’d personally stay in a loveless, sexless marriage over getting a divorce.>>

It pains me to no end to hear this. I know a woman who has done what you have suggested and she is very unhappy about her decision.

<<Exactly! Neither of us has a problem with the other’s physical traits. In fact, he worries that he married me only because he thinks I’m beautiful.>>

Wow! What a revelation. Girl, it’s time to show your husband that you are truly multidimensional. You’ve already done it here on this bulletin board by pouring out your heart. Believe me you have considerable depth.

<<They talk about their party days in college and the girls they slept with…He doesn’t feel like we have much to brag about.>>

To brag about what? You must be joking, right? Life is not high school. He needs to graduate, and soon.

The only advice I can give is to stay the course with marriage counseling. Give it six months. I pray that all will turn out well.

God bless

Thank you for all of the prayers and suggestions/support.

I don’t believe that my parents expressed too much anger. They argued sometimes but I wouldn’t call it angry. They might have (and still do) argued loudly occasionally but nothing extreme.

Maybe he believes that I get angry and it scares him because it evokes anger within him. He had anger issues as a kid and does not want to make himself angry again.

I don’t really believe the whole "hasn’t loved me the whole marriage " thing. He claims he intended to stay married forever and have children. I don’t believe he’s quite that crazy. He may regret it, but I don’t think that’s how he felt back then. I’ve read it’s common to rewrite the past when one is angry or upset. He’s acted very happy the entire time - until June and since then he’s like a different person.

As far as divorce, I didn’t think I had a grave reason to leave. I’d rather live as roommates and have both parents for our children. I could never file for divorce myself unless there were abuse or infidelity. I don’t know though; I’ve only been living this nightmare for 3 months. I’m not able to remarry or date others anyway so I’m not missing out on love. Even if I could remarry, I’m not ok with having more children or bringing a stepfather into my children’s lives. I certainly wouldn’t want to risk them going through another parent’s divorce if that husband left.

He said that once, but he’s also acknowledged that I’m intelligent. He’s also complained that I am opinionated though he says that’s what attracted him to me.
 
I think she might have been half kidding about PTSD. I’m not totally sure. If it were that bad I’m sure he would’ve run out the door and taken the kids.

The comments about females are so far from the way he was raised. His dad is on the effeminate side and extremely respectful of women. He may get the poor influence from work. He can be influenced by others somewhat easily.
 
bernadettefaith said:

“He said that once, but he’s also acknowledged that I’m intelligent. He’s also complained that I am opinionated though he says that’s what attracted him to me.”

You may eventually wish to point out to him that high-earning career women usually are opinionated. If he wants a high-earning career woman, he’d better get used to opinionated.
 
bernadettefaith said:

“He said that once, but he’s also acknowledged that I’m intelligent. He’s also complained that I am opinionated though he says that’s what attracted him to me.”

You may eventually wish to point out to him that high-earning career women usually are opinionated. If he wants a high-earning career woman, he’d better get used to opinionated.
Yeah he wants two completely different things.

He says that he doesn’t know what’s normal in a relationship so maybe his expectations are too high. He really just doesn’t seem to know what he’s looking for.
 
One more thing–here’s an article on male postpartum depression.

mag.newsweek.com/2009/04/06/understanding-male-post-partum-depression.html

You might want to read up on the subject and talk about it with your husband and counselor.
That definitely sounds a lot like him. I guess when we think of depression, we usually think of crying but men react differently.

The only thing is that he’s never had trouble bonding with the babies. He said it was love at first sight. He claims that’s how he knew he didn’t love me because he held the baby and felt so much love that he hadn’t felt before. Yes, I realize this contradicts his story that he fell our of love before marriage. The counselor has reminded him that this is a different kind of love.
 
bernadettefaith:

“He said it was love at first sight. He claims that’s how he knew he didn’t love me because he held the baby and felt so much love that he hadn’t felt before.”

I think he’s having an unusual male version of the new mother thing where once the new baby is born, she just wants to be with the baby and may cold-shoulder her husband or older children. It’s normal to get totally wrapped up in the baby, but this can also have a relationship with post-partum depression.

I remember, years ago, being with my middle child and being interrupted by my oldest (who was getting on three at the time). My thoughts at the time were something like this, “Kid, isn’t it time that you get a job and an apartment and move out?” That’s a ridiculous thing to think about a barely three-year-old, but that’s how I felt at the time. As you can imagine, I wasn’t very excited about my husband at the time, either.

This is all very, very biological.
 
That’s why I think that one more year may do the job for you.

In the meantime, treat him as if he were a postpartum mommy.
 
That’s why I think that one more year may do the job for you.

In the meantime, treat him as if he were a postpartum mommy.
Good idea! I hadn’t considered that. Makes sense because he’s always been so natural at being a dad.
 
good. You would be surprised at the number of women in 2013 who are SAHM and their name is not on “anything”. And some are given “an allowance” by their husbands. ARGHH…:eek: Smart woman… glad you are doing the finances it’s keeps you in the loop.

There is nothing wrong with YOU. He is the one who has the problem. I am just concerned that he is "playing’ you like a violin. Continue…continuing, let nothing deter you in working this out with him. In the meantime, hedge your bets, get your ducks in a row.

If he has good insurance…ask your pediatrician about the separation anxiety with your second little one, perhaps he/she will offer some advice to keep the stress level down on you.Oh speaking of insurance, he will also keep the kids on his insurance…you however, may get stuck with Obamacare if you aren’t working.🤷
I see it a bit differently than you do. I don’t see that he’s playing BernadetteFaith. I see that he is being honest with his wife and he is genuinely confused and having some kind of a life crisis.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with BernadetteFaith and that yes, it is he with the problem. I just question whether or not he is intentionally playing her.

It may seem like he’s playing her from the outside, but BernadetteFaith would have a gut feeling if this were the case and from what she has said about his actions, I believe her when she says that her husband is genuinely confused and in an emotional crisis.
 
Bernadette,

I agree not to tell your parents, they would definitely hold a grudge ( heck I might never forgive him for what he said to you.)

But his mom is a whole nother story. Talking to my MIL saved my husbands sanity and our marriage.

His mom knows him better than you. Take her yarn shopping r some other innocuous activity and say 'I’m really worried about (hubby,) have you noticed he is unhappy, lost his faith in Christ and wishes he ad a different wife and different college experiences?"

See what she says 🙂
Good advice. I only involve MIL if it would definitely work to my advantage though. Some MILs always side with their sons and some would be able to think objectively.
 
I’ve considered talking to both his parents - we always see them together. His dad is the type who might worry more than his mom. Do you think they would side with him? He’s an only child and their “baby”. Or would they tell him that I talked to him?
This is always the risk of involving in-laws. Use your gut feeling on this one and use your commen sense. What kind of relationship do you have with you MIL? Is it an open one?
 
From everything bernadettefaith has said, I think her husband is pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get. I seriously don’t think he’s capable of faking things for the better part of a decade. I think the timing on this is very suspicious, that it comes just at the roughest time in most people’s marriage, namely the birth of a second child. I don’t think you need to look any further for an explanation than there.
I agree with this. This guy is the real mckoy
 
BernadetteFaith,

You are a really smart and level headed woman. I have full confidence in you that you will do what is right when the time is right.

You will be ok no matter what. I admire you.
 
Good idea! I hadn’t considered that. Makes sense because he’s always been so natural at being a dad.
Lift his self-esteem every opportunity you get. Help him get out of his depressed state.

At least if this marriage doesn’t work out (and I personally think it will), you will have no doubts that you tried everything you put 100% into this marriage.

I am sorry you are going through this. I had a hard time in my marriage too for a good 3 years. It sucks when you are not happy!
 
I see it a bit differently than you do. I don’t see that he’s playing BernadetteFaith. I see that he is being honest with his wife and he is genuinely confused and having some kind of a life crisis.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with BernadetteFaith and that yes, it is he with the problem. I just question whether or not he is intentionally playing her.

It may seem like he’s playing her from the outside, but BernadetteFaith would have a gut feeling if this were the case and from what she has said about his actions, I believe her when she says that her husband is genuinely confused and in an emotional crisis.
I agree. My husband was somewhat slow to mature by my reckoning. He went through the exact same thing when he was in his late 20’s and early 30’s. He realized he didn’t have the perfect life and perfect wife he thought he’d have back when he was a kid. Oh snap reality happened!

So he started thinking maybe he didn’t really love me and maybe he should leave, go back to college, start a new life with a more fit and career minded woman etc etc. He eventually grew out of it without counseling but that is only because we didn’t have insurance or the money to pay for therapy. Also, I tried to appease him and be all sensitive and such, but then I got sick of it and lost my grip. I gave him a serious verbal dose of reality, told him to grow the freak up, and then I told him he was welcome to leave if he felt he needed to, but once he was gone he would not be welcome back so he’d better think real hard. Going on strike and making him take care of his own meals and laundry, etc. for a few days also really helped.
Good advice. I only involve MIL if it would definitely work to my advantage though. Some MILs always side with their sons and some would be able to think objectively.
I hope I’d be the MIL that smacks her adult son upside the head for treating his wife that way…
 
I hope I’d be the MIL that smacks her adult son upside the head for treating his wife that way…
Me too lol.

My MIL would definitely side with my husband, so I would never seek her support.
 
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