Married priests ... again

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There is a very good practical reason why Catholic priests should not be married.

Catholics have a higher regard for what marriage is than the world does, even higher than other most other Christians. It is instituted by God and, as such, permanent and not something a human can set aside. More it is a Sacrament, a channel bringing God’s grace into our lives. It is a blessing from God, a joy, and also a serious responsibility. A priest must strictly uphold this view and foster it in the faithful.

Now how is he going to do that if he knows what being married is really like?
 
Hello

This is an interesting view.

God Bless

Saint Andrew.
 
Heh, heh, heh,

Seriously, though, I know a lady whose father was an Episcopalian priest a couple of generations ago. She says her dad had time for everybody except his wife and kids. Need any more reasons?
  • Liberian
 
Ha!

Pretty funny. 😃

I do think we should let priests marry. It would be one of the best decisions the church has made in a long time.
 
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cheese_sdc:
Ha!

Pretty funny. 😃

I do think we should let priests marry. It would be one of the best decisions the church has made in a long time.
Priests will never be allowed to get married. Once one is ordained to either the priesthood or the diaconate, they can not get married.

The talk of a married priesthood is not talk about letting priests marry, it is about ordaining married men.

The theology of the priesthood and diaconate, which is dogma, precludes marriage after ordination. The ordination of married men to the diaconate and the priesthood is a matter of discipline so it does happen in the case of deacons and priests in the eastern Churches where the discipline allows it. It is the discipline of the Latin Church to not ordain married men though exceptions have been made.
 
Thank you BizCath … most people do not understand that once Holy Orders have been received or you have made final vows in a Pontifical Religious Order you cannot get married.

Thank you for noting the difference.
 
Racer X:
There is a very good practical reason why Catholic priests should not be married.

Catholics have a higher regard for what marriage is than the world does, even higher than other most other Christians. It is instituted by God and, as such, permanent and not something a human can set aside. More it is a Sacrament, a channel bringing God’s grace into our lives. It is a blessing from God, a joy, and also a serious responsibility. A priest must strictly uphold this view and foster it in the faithful.

Now how is he going to do that if he knows what being married is really like?
well, let me give you the flip side. Some of the celibate ones seem to be pretty goood at telling married people how they should live their lives.

As my mother (who was born in 1917) said, long before Vatican 2: you can tell me the tomato is firm, and red, and juicy, but if you havn’t taken a bite, don’t tell me what it tastes like…
 
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Liberian:
Heh, heh, heh,

Seriously, though, I know a lady whose father was an Episcopalian priest a couple of generations ago. She says her dad had time for everybody except his wife and kids. Need any more reasons?
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Yeah - let’s find out what his wife and kids were like.

I know a few non-priests who don’t have much time for their wife and kids, too.

I also know a married priest who has time for his wife and kids - because he makes time. Just like the doctors, and the lawyers, and the CPAs, and the business owners, all of whom make time for their wife and kids…

Where in heavens name did this urban legend arise that priests work 24/7?
 
OTM:

The role of the priest in assisting married couples is to give the ought … which if you have read anything that JPII wrote about marriage then you will know that even silly celebate old men know a whole heck of a lot about marriage.

On your second point it is not an urban legand. As one who was studying to be a priest I can assure you of that. I have a dear priest friend of mine who is a widower who was approached one day in the Sacristy with this same question. He stopped, paused. looked at the man and said, “Well, I’ve been married, and I am a priest and I can tell you that there is great wisdom in what the Chruch directs. Having done both I know that I could not do both well at the same time.”

I am friends with his daughter and can attest to him being a good father and husband. This man is more qualified than any to speak on this subject and because his personal experience I have never forgotten what he said that day.

Veritas
 
ordaining women = lesbianism
ordaining married priests = polygamy
 
viktor aleksndr:
it is about commitment
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abcdefg:
ordaining women = lesbianism
ordaining married priests = polygamy
You two are extremely offensive, uncharitable, and ignorant.

Are you even Catholic? Do you realize that not only does the Latin Catholic Church have married priests, that is the pope has approved the ordiantion of married converts to the priesthood? And that the discipline, let me say it again DISCIPLINE of celibacy for secualr priests is a Western thing, that the Byzantine Catholic Churches have just the opposite.

As I said in another thread, READ YOUR CATECHISMS PEOPLE!
 
Get 'em David!!
not reading your catchecism/knowing what you are talking about=stupidity
 
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otm:
Yeah - let’s find out what his wife and kids were like.

Where in heavens name did this urban legend arise that priests work 24/7?
OTM,

Without getting too personal … the lady in question is now my mother-in-law, so I know her fairly well.

The urban legend that priests work 24/7 probably comes from the fact that some very good ones do work 24/7, or at least are on call 24/7.
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abcdefg:
ordaining women = lesbianism
ordaining married priests = polygamy
I do not see your logic :confused: . How can ordaining women=lesbianism? Wouldn’t this mean that ordanining unmarried men=gay? I am against the ordination of women but I do not like your comparison.

And how is ordaining a married priest polygamy. The eastern catholic churches do it. As mentioned before it is a matter of discipline, not dogma.
 
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Andrew_11:
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abcdefg:
ordaining women = lesbianism
ordaining married priests = polygamy
I do not see your logic :confused: . How can ordaining women=lesbianism? Wouldn’t this mean that ordanining unmarried men=gay? I am against the ordination of women but I do not like your comparison.

And how is ordaining a married priest polygamy. The eastern catholic churches do it. As mentioned before it is a matter of discipline, not dogma.
Andrew,
I have seen this argument before, at least the first part (ordaining women = lesbianism).

This comes from a misunderstanding of the Church being the Bride of Christ.

People who make this argument (ordaining women = lesbianism) and in this case stretching it to ordaining married men = polygamy think that the priest is marrying the Church. Which is incorrect because if every priest was the Bride Groom with the Chruch as the Bride then the Church would be quilty of polygamy also as every priest would be married to the same Bride.

Christ is the Bride Groom. The Church is the Bride of Christ. Now in the Western Theological Tradition the priest acts in persona christi but the priest is not Christ.
 
Actually, it is about giving oneself entirely to God. When people marry, they give themselves to each other, after they both give something to God. But a priest and religious - they give themselves entirely to God. I can’t imagine how such a person could divvy up those loves.

I don’t think the vocation crisis will be a crisis in another decade or so. I believe we are going to see more young men entering the priesthood.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
Actually, it is about giving oneself entirely to God. When people marry, they give themselves to each other, after they both give something to God. But a priest and religious - they give themselves entirely to God. I can’t imagine how such a person could divvy up those loves.

I don’t think the vocation crisis will be a crisis in another decade or so. I believe we are going to see more young men entering the priesthood.
It is statements like this that show a woeful lack of understanding of the Catholic Church.

It shows a one-sided view of only the Latin Church and then takeing that view as the whole Church.

The Byzantine Catholic Churches as well as the Orthodox Churches have kept the ancient tradition of a married priesthood alive.

The Latin Church made the change to a totally celibate priesthood in the eight century. So in the Latin Church this discipline is only 1200 years or or so. Where as the discipline held by the Byzantines is 2000 years old.

Again, read your Catechisms and learn something about the Church as a whole rather than just acting like the Latin Church is all there is.
 
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abcdefg:
ordaining women = lesbianism
ordaining married priests = polygamy
Ordaining men who are married = 2000 year tradition of the Catholic Church, practiced for a number oc centuries in the Roman rite, and still allowed in the Roman rite by permission; currently permission granted only to converts who were married and pastors.
 
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OTM:

The role of the priest in assisting married couples is to give the ought … which if you have read anything that JPII wrote about marriage then you will know that even silly celebate old men know a whole heck of a lot about marriage.

On your second point it is not an urban legand. As one who was studying to be a priest I can assure you of that. I have a dear priest friend of mine who is a widower who was approached one day in the Sacristy with this same question. He stopped, paused. looked at the man and said, “Well, I’ve been married, and I am a priest and I can tell you that there is great wisdom in what the Chruch directs. Having done both I know that I could not do both well at the same time.”

I am friends with his daughter and can attest to him being a good father and husband. This man is more qualified than any to speak on this subject and because his personal experience I have never forgotten what he said that day.

Veritas
I would disagree that he is more qualified than any, as others will attest that it is a difficult, but not impossible task. Are there more demands on a married priest than a single one? Absolutely no question. and the demands are no less on other professionals, who would often say the same thing your priest friend said - that it would be much easier to be celibate than married, with the demands that a career and family make.

I haved no problem at all with celibacy. I also have no problem at all with ordaining married men. I do fail to see how someone who was a pastor and married, then converts, is any better candidate for the priesthood than is a cradle Catholic who marries, and then expresses a calling to the priesthood.

If you are called to be celibate and called to the priesthood, that is wonderful. Celibacy is a great witness to the Church and to the world. Celibacy, however, is a charism not all are given, and is not intrinsic to the priesthood.

As an aside, I have seen priests who, no matter the amount of time planning applied, are truly busy to the point of having little or no personal time. I have also observed a number of priests who allow the tasks at hand to fill the time span; in other words, they are (politely put) inefficient. The time demands are much greater than a forty hour work week, no question. But I have seen all too many who have no sense of time control or constraints. Perhaps the silence is too deafening.

And please do not misconstrue that I am suggesting that they be short with someone that needs counseling, or abrupt with Confessions, e.g.

As I say, where did we get the urban legend that a apriest is busy 24/7?
 
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