Marvel comic book to avoid

[Baelor]

That’s moral relativism. The Church teaches there are absolutes that include everybody.

And those absolutes do not encompass every facet of human existence, because some aspects are not inherently morally charged.

Or if we say, it’s OK for adults to buy immoral material?

That question is paradoxical. Something that is immoral cannot be okay. You would resolve this easily by realizing that not everything you consider immoral is actually immoral.

 

[edwest2]

And those absolutes do not encompass every facet of human existence, because some aspects are not inherently morally charged.

That question is paradoxical. Something that is immoral cannot be okay. You would resolve this easily by realizing that not everything you consider immoral is actually immoral.

This isn’t about me. It’s about Church teaching. There is a Culture War going on.

shop.catholic.com/catholic-dvds/catholics-and-the-culture-war.html

Peace,
Ed

 

[johnnyjones]

That’s moral relativism. The Church teaches there are absolutes that include everybody.

Peace,
Ed

Smart. You pointed out a seriously flawed mental embrace that partly contributes to our societies ills. Absolutes have taken a back seat and many can’t even see it.

 

[Baelor]

This isn’t about me. It’s about Church teaching. There is a Culture War going on.

Why would you not then lead with that? You could have posted the specific teaching prohibiting the reading of this material in the first post and the case would have been closed definitively.

And yet, it is not there. Why is that? Perhaps because it is not about Church teaching, about which you remain necessarily (at least, for your argument to have any weight) vague, and rather about your own crusade.

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

Thank you. How do we as Christians, respond to a culture that presents immorality as OK? And Adults better get it into their heads that if they want to live their faith they should not spend any money on anything that promotes immorality.

Wake up, people. How are we witnesses to the truth if we say nothing? Or if we say, it’s OK for adults to buy immoral material? Being a Christian doesn’t mean just going to Church once a week and then driving home. If we don’t speak up - who will? The people that have been taught to love this stuff? The people who’ve been lied to?

Sure, we are to preach the gospel to all nations, and that includes the laity. If we don’t stand for the truth and say nothing, then what?

Peace,
Ed

I bolded the tricksy part.
Many great works depict great evil. Even when evil is depicted as good in literature it can be a device to provoke thought. As Laity we spread the gospel in the world and must speak in terms to be understood by the world (in no way sinning)

In this situation, it’s almost a duty for Catholics to develop critical thinking skills and prayer both to aid in discernment and in prudence.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

It’s called Uncanny X-Force and it’s coming out in January. According to someone involved:

"Humphries promises that the book will be “dark, dirty, morally sticky, edgy, bloody, and sexy.”

Tell everyone you know.

Peace,
Ed

LOL

Thank you for giving them that bit of free advertising Ed:thumbsup:

 

[AngryAtheist8]

We have had artists work for the media company I work for that now have jobs at Marvel and DC. I have written and drawn for a privately published comic book in the past. I started reading comic books in the late 1960s and stopped around 1983 or so. Since then, I’ve been following the comic book market as part of my job.

Free advertising? A common fallacy. My message was meant to alert all Catholics that things continue in a downward direction at Marvel, and yes, that is news. To my brothers and sisters in Christ, take care of your kids and nieces and nephews.

Peace,
Ed

To any Harry Potter fans in the thread:

This reminds me of the scene (in the 5th book/film) where Dolores Umbridge bans the Quibbler magazine and a specific article in it, and Hermione is quite pleased.
When her friends ask her why she is so happy, she basically says that Umbridge just guaranteed that everyone in the school would read it.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I don’t see how it is a common fallacy because I can tell you from personal experience that many attempts to hide or remove information have instead brought it to my attention. Most recent example in the media is “Innocence of Muslims”, a name which many outlets carefully avoided mentioning or describing when reporting attacks on our embassies. See also: Streisand effect. This is well-documented and far from a fallacy.

Also, Ed, it seems you have a conflict of interest here… what are your motivations for denigrating Marvel, as much as they may deserve it?

I just assumed that Ed had always disliked Marvel Comics because of the values that characters like the X-Men have always promoted:shrug:

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Why would you not then lead with that? You could have posted the specific teaching prohibiting the reading of this material in the first post and the case would have been closed definitively.

And yet, it is not there. Why is that? Perhaps because it is not about Church teaching, about which you remain necessarily (at least, for your argument to have any weight) vague, and rather about your own crusade.

For a bit of context.

Ed started a new thread a while ago to give a negative review to the film Brave (link to thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=684971&highlight=Edwest).

Despite the fact that he had not actually seen the film, and was just making assumptions about it based on things that he thought were* implied *by the trailer.

Speaking as someone who actually watched the movie, I feel confident saying that it was a well made and family friendly (though in some aspects weak) film about the relationship between a mother and daughter.

 

[Dale_M]

Here is a bit more about the upcoming relaunch of Uncanny X-Force.

I don’t know a thing about comics, let alone this title, but here are a couple articles involving an interview with one of the guys who is steering the new version.
Sam Humphries:

X-Force is a real opportunity to go down new roads and see new things. For me, it’s a mix. Long-term X-Men fans will definitely find juicy bits to sink their teeth into. Familiar characters, familiar locations, familiar themes. But my job is to take these into the context of X-Force and present them in a whole new light. To see a new, perhaps dark corner of locations you’ve seen before.

Nobody wants to see me try and continue X-Force as a watered-down version of Rick Remender. Rick asked questions in the book and addressed them. There’s nothing left for me to continue, but it would not be an enjoyable experience for anyone involved, for the readers, for Rick, for me or for Marvel. No one would come out pleased. This spins directly out of the events of Rick’s run, but it takes the concept of X-Force, the mandate of the book and the characters down a new path with a new focus.

Rick did not yield or stop at any stop signs in his run. It’s ruthless and compelling and exciting, and those are the things we’re going to take. That’s the kind of mandate you get when you hop on X-Force. They’ve got all the mainstream X-Men stuff handled, you know? You have Bendis and Jason Aaron steering the X-Men ship, they don’t need a knockoff of that or someone doing that with a different set of characters. My job is to deliver stories and surprises and excitement and experiences that you can’t get anywhere else.

comicsalliance.com/2012/09/17/im-gonna-write-it-like-i-stole-it-sam-humphries-on-taking/

h/t IGN.com

I dunno… I wonder if Ed didn’t read the sort of hype which is in this interview. My sense is that the guys behind the new version are trying to stir up interest in the upcoming release.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Free advertising. The ones who would agree that it shouldn’t be read wouldn’t pick it up anyway, and then there are people like me who’s curiosity is almost uncontrollable who are sure to read it after they’ve been told not to.

And at this point if Ed says no I have to see it. Ever since he asserted that ‘Brave’ was radical feminist propaganda because it taught girls to reject arranged marriages and be “their silly little selves” I can’t resist.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

And what’s more who makes decisions about what is appropriate based on the opinions of an anonymous, self-proclaimed “media expert” on an internet forum?

 

[Seeker1961]

Free advertising. The ones who would agree that it shouldn’t be read wouldn’t pick it up anyway, and then there are people like me who’s curiosity is almost uncontrollable who are sure to read it after they’ve been told not to.

And at this point if Ed says no I have to see it. Ever since he asserted that ‘Brave’ was radical feminist propaganda because it taught girls to reject arranged marriages and be “their silly little selves” I can’t resist.

especially when we find out he never even SAW the movie!!

 

[edwest2]

I stand by everything I wrote.

Peace,
Ed

 

[BlueEyedLady]

That’s why I strongly doubt his “credentials”. People who work with media usually know better than to jump to conclusions based on what another said about a book/movie/song etc that you haven’t even checked out yourself. That sort of thing is extremely irresponsible, intellectually dishonest, and looked down upon in the industry (for good reason).

 

[Portrait]

That’s moral relativism. The Church teaches there are absolutes that include everybody.

Peace,
Ed

Dear edwest2,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Hear, hear, jolly well said and thankyou for bringing to our notice the moral declension within the media at the present time, dear brother.

As long as you continue to work within this field it affords you an opportunity to be a witness to Christian morality and goodness. Do keep up this noble and vital work, for it is indispensable given the cultural and moral deterioration of our age.

God bless you.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[tomarin]

I think it’s out of context that their market is for kids. A single combicbook is 5 bucks! Marvel is aimed at adult males with tablets with disposable income…

(shortened by Tomarin)

I don’t think the intended audience is kids anymore, but adult males (I assume mostly males), of a somewhat nerdy bent, who collect comics. You used to find comics for sale on news stands and in convenience stores but now you have to go to the comic book store to buy them.

 

[Cristiano]

It’s called Uncanny X-Force and it’s coming out in January. According to someone involved:

"Humphries promises that the book will be “dark, dirty, morally sticky, edgy, bloody, and sexy.”

Tell everyone you know.

Peace,
Ed

I think that someone should buy it, scan it, and post it over internet, in this way the people that were planning to buy it get it for free and the other people will continue to ignore it. That is a good way to cripple an industry that publishes garbage. Isn’t it?

 

[tomarin]

I just started paying attention to them again (probably partly due to your posts) after being away since the early 1980’s so you can imagine my disorientation.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Dear edwest2,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

Hear, hear, jolly well said and thankyou for bringing to our notice the moral declension within the media at the present time, dear brother.

As long as you continue to work within this field it affords you an opportunity to be a witness to Christian morality and goodness. Do keep up this noble and vital work, for it is indispensable given the cultural and moral deterioration of our age.

God bless you.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

It should be noted that Ed is reviewing material that he has not even read/watched.

Which seems like a rather irresponsible thing for a reviewer to do.
And is a practice I do not consider intellectually credible.