Mary and her role? (Multi-Merged)

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ProdigalSun said:
Do you understand yet? The above is not part of Mass but some type of personal devotion (not required to believe or pray). AS for the Hundreds upon hundreds more I would have to say if they are from the same book are not part of the MASS which we have to participate in on all days of obligation. ie. Sunday or Saturday
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It is possible they are from Mass prayers (eg. Opening prayer, Prayer after Communion,).

I don’t have the latest edition of the Missal, but as an example, the Opening Prayer for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in my older missal reads:

"Father you prepare the Virgin Mary to be the worthy mother of your Son. … Help us by her prayers to live in your presence without sin. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives…and the Holy Spirit…
(The prayer of course is to the Father, not to Mary.)

The prayers usually open addressing the First Person of the Trinity (Father/God/Lord), and close referring to either one or both of the other 2 Persons of the Trinity.
 
She is probably looking at ‘St Andrew’s Daily Missal’ which was used in the traditional Tridentine/Latin mass which we do not use in the Roman Rite very often and it is considered an extraordinary form of the Mass.
 
Nita said:
It is possible they are from Mass prayers (eg. Opening prayer, Prayer after Communion,).

I don’t have the latest edition of the Missal, but as an example, the Opening Prayer for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in my older missal reads:

"Father you prepare the Virgin Mary to be the worthy mother of your Son. … Help us by her prayers to live in your presence without sin. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives…and the Holy Spirit…
(The prayer of course is to the Father, not to Mary.)

The prayers usually open addressing the First Person of the Trinity (Father/God/Lord), and close referring to either one or both of the other 2 Persons of the Trinity.
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You are right KP3243 - they are from the St. Andrew Daily Missal. There the prayers are also directed to God.
AmosTown said:
Are you toying with me? There is a whopping bunch of them.

Martin of Tours

“by the intercession of Martin Thy Bishop and confessor we may be kept from all that is hurtful”
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This is from the Collect; the prayer reads as follows:
O God, You know that we stand not by any strength of our own, mercifully grant that by the intercession of Blessed Martin Your Confessor and Bishop, we may be kept from all harm. Through our Lord.
“grant through the intercession of the saints the Sacrements we have celebrated may avail us unto salvation”
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Don’t know where this is taken from.
Didacus
“be please to grant to us thy humble servants that through the kindly prayers of blessed Didacus we may deserve to be raised to eternal glory in heaven”
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(Collect; Differs slightly)Almighty and everlasting God, by Your wonderful Providence You have chosen the weak things of this world to confound the strong; relying on the kindly prayers of Blessed Didacus, Your Confessor, we who are lowly in deed, implore You to be made worthy of being raised up to everlasting glory in heaven. Through our Lord.
 
KP3243 said:
Sometimes the Church who has the right to change the liturgy will do so if part of it is causing confusion. For instance since the 1600s, the Church has deleted “thine be the Glory…” after we say the “Hour Father” at Mass because it was showing up in Bibles as part of the Hour Father and it isn’t. Thine be the Glory was part of the Catholic Mass not the Our Father. It is just now making an extraordinarily slow come back. Objections to Mary are fairly recent within the past 60 or 70 years. John Calvin and Martin Luther would have professed her perpetual virginity and Immaculate Conception. My guess is that the missal wording in your grandfather’s Missal was causing confusion for Catholics so the Church eliminated it.
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Luther did at first, then he lost even that earlier illumination, and wrote that Mary was no different (in her beginning), than you/he !!
 
AmosTown said:
A priest? I don’t want to go to a priest yet. Is the correct answer one of those secret teachings that can’t be taught out in the open?
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Absolutely not. There aren’t any secret teachings. A face to face discussion with someone is always better than a forum discussion. We can’t read your mind. You are interpreting what you are reading based on your history. If you don’t want to see a Priest then you don’t have to. We are trying to help you understand. He may be able to help you understand what we are trying to tell you.
 
ProdigalSun said:
These are not part of the MASS but personal devotions to the saints. If you wish to know about the mass go to one. They only last about an hour. you will find everything said in mass part of scripture.

Peaceto you brother!
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I read these in the mass book so yes they are in the mass
 
maltmom said:
Absolutely not. There aren’t any secret teachings. A face to face discussion with someone is always better than a forum discussion. We can’t read your mind. You are interpreting what you are reading based on your history. If you don’t want to see a Priest then you don’t have to. We are trying to help you understand. He may be able to help you understand what we are trying to tell you.
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I am not interpreting. I am reading the Catholic mass book and quoting it I cant interpret it which is why I’m asking here
 
KP3243 said:
She is probably looking at ‘St Andrew’s Daily Missal’ which was used in the traditional Tridentine/Latin mass which we do not use in the Roman Rite very often and it is considered an extraordinary form of the Mass.
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What I am reading is in english. There isn’t any latin in it. Is Latin bad?
 
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AmosTown said:
I read these in the mass book so yes they are in the mass
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If you say so bud! but I have been to Mass all my life and never heard that but it must be there because you say so! If you read above at the beginnning of this so called mass prayer you will find that it is adressed to the Father. But hey you choose to believe what ever you want. You can only see through the lenses given to you by your sect(read cult) which is why you will not believe what we say. But hey all you have to do is go to a Mass on any given day. (there is mass everyday of the week in all cities around the world) You will not here that prayer or any of the hundreds you say are part of the Mass.

Good luck.
 
KP3243 said:
What does the inside say as to who published it and in what year?
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There are some pages torn at the front. I looked for a date but can’t find it. It has a page that says this missal is presented to by and on in the front. Do dates matter about Catholics teaching?
 
AmosTown said:
There are some pages torn at the front. I looked for a date but can’t find it. It has a page that says this missal is presented to by and on in the front. Do dates matter about Catholics teaching?
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Yes because we went from the Extrodinary form to the Ordinary form of the mass and between 1962 and 1969 there were changes. It had nothing to do with teachings though.
 
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