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Fox
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Why is this a big thing whether or not Mary had sex after she gave birth to Jesus? What difference does it make? It doesn’t change the fact that Jesus is God or what He did. Thoughts?
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LittleFlower378
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She sets the example for virgin religious sisters and nuns to totally give their life to Jesus.
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Wesrock
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God was in her womb.
God. Was. In. Her. Womb.
Ponder that. Think on how Jews viewed God’s presence on the Ark of the Covenant or in the Holy of Holies. How much reverence and attention such spaces were given because those were where God dwelled. How much concern there was if other people failed to show such reverence by entering the space when it had been set aside for God.
God dwelled more fully in her womb than he did in those places. Her womb was set apart for God’s dwelling. It was from here He took flesh. Appreciate that as a righteous first century Jew such as Saint Joseph would have. What it says about his respect for her and for God. There are important Christological implications to her perpetual virginity.
God. Was. In. Her. Womb.
Ponder that. Think on how Jews viewed God’s presence on the Ark of the Covenant or in the Holy of Holies. How much reverence and attention such spaces were given because those were where God dwelled. How much concern there was if other people failed to show such reverence by entering the space when it had been set aside for God.
God dwelled more fully in her womb than he did in those places. Her womb was set apart for God’s dwelling. It was from here He took flesh. Appreciate that as a righteous first century Jew such as Saint Joseph would have. What it says about his respect for her and for God. There are important Christological implications to her perpetual virginity.
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NJada
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That girl you might have heard about, who recently converted from Protestantism, did a good job explaining this, shortly before she converted.
Actually she says quite a bit of what Wesrock just said.
Mary as Ark of the New Covenant is a very powerful sign.
Actually she says quite a bit of what Wesrock just said.
Mary as Ark of the New Covenant is a very powerful sign.
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Dan_Defender
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It is an ancient tradition, that the Blessed Virgin Mary was solemnly offered to God in the temple in her infancy and remained there until espoused to St Joseph. Mary was the first who set up the standard of virginity; and, by consecrating it by a perpetual vow to our Lord, she opened the way to all virgins who have since followed her example.
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Whitney
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Interesting thought: When a female baby is born she already has all of the eggs in her ovaries that she will ever have. The humanity of Jesus dwelled within her even before Mary’s birth. In the Orthodox Church I was taught that if you took the DNA of Jesus there would have been no identifiable “deity” DNA. I don’t know if the Catholic Church also takes a stand on this (or even if what this priest said is official EO teaching) but if so, the totality of his personhood was contained within her since her beginning. I hope someone who knows the Catholic stance can chime in!
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ShowersofRoses
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In addition to what others have written, her perpetual virginity was an eternal sign of the virgin birth, which was the miracle of the Incarnation. If she had normal relations with St. Joseph later, then it would have been very easy to deny that Jesus had been born of a virgin. Remember, that virgin birth was vitally important in fulfilling Scriptural prophecies, and it showed that Jesus was also divine, the Son of God and Man. Her perpetual virginity is proof of the Incarnation.
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Crocus
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Everything about Mary points to the identity of Jesus as God the Son.
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joeybaggz
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If Mary were the bearer of God’s son, would sex between Mary and Joseph be adultery?
There also is the idea that Joseph was a much older man than Mary, had already sired and reared a family (the brothers of Jesus from Scripture) and sex wasn’t a part of that relationship.
And I have heard the idea put forth that Mary and Joseph were of the Essene sect (much like the speculation around John the Baptist) and had taken vows of perpetual virginity themselves as Essenes were want to do.
Really, we don’t know all the details. But the belief is, as posts above have stated, inspirational to many who eschew children and family for service to God.
My $.02. Shalom
There also is the idea that Joseph was a much older man than Mary, had already sired and reared a family (the brothers of Jesus from Scripture) and sex wasn’t a part of that relationship.
And I have heard the idea put forth that Mary and Joseph were of the Essene sect (much like the speculation around John the Baptist) and had taken vows of perpetual virginity themselves as Essenes were want to do.
Really, we don’t know all the details. But the belief is, as posts above have stated, inspirational to many who eschew children and family for service to God.
My $.02. Shalom
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Bruce_Killian
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Mary with Jesus has to fulfill the OT and Adam and Eve were virgins when they sinned. Other virgins that are a type of Mary include Abishag the virgin widow of king David and Sara the virgin widow who married Tobias. Also Lot’s 2 virgin daughters. Only a virgin could fulfill the type of the Ark of the Covenant which was always holy because sex made one unclean and therefore not holy.
Grace and peace,
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I used to watch some of her videos but the comments section was a mess.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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The Virginal life is higher than that of married people so it would make sense that the best of creation would have the fullness of holiness that a creature could ever have.
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Seagull
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As a curious side note - I read - from ancient texts - Joseph was old -
He was so old - that’s why he didn’t want to marry Mary -
He had already - been married - too - was a devout widower - when called
Joseph didn’t want to be thought of ‘as a pervert’ - by his community
by marrying someone that was - three times younger than him.
He was so old - that’s why he didn’t want to marry Mary -
He had already - been married - too - was a devout widower - when called
Joseph didn’t want to be thought of ‘as a pervert’ - by his community
by marrying someone that was - three times younger than him.
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Wesrock
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And remember how anyone else who touched the Ark died. You just didn’t touch the Ark. So nobody could touch Mary. 
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I don’t know if I would go so far to claim that Joseph would had died (you didn’t, but I think someone could read that implication even if you didn’t mean it), but it does show the seriousness of places set aside for God. “Touching” things is not an evil or impure act, yet we read in scripture that when Uzzah touched the Ark he fell dead. Entering places is not an evil or impure act, yet the Holy of Holies was set apart for God and entering the room was only done under very specific circumstances. I am avoiding speaking of these things in terms of “impurity” for a reason. These places were set apart for God, and great reverence was due to that fact. There’s nothing evil about sex between a married couple, or touching things or entering rooms, but reverence is given to things set apart for God’s presence/dwelling.
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I don’t know if I would go so far to claim that Joseph would had died (you didn’t, but I think someone could read that implication even if you didn’t mean it), but it does show the seriousness of places set aside for God. “Touching” things is not an evil or impure act, yet we read in scripture that when Uzzah touched the Ark he fell dead. Entering places is not an evil or impure act, yet the Holy of Holies was set apart for God and entering the room was only done under very specific circumstances. I am avoiding speaking of these things in terms of “impurity” for a reason. These places were set apart for God, and great reverence was due to that fact. There’s nothing evil about sex between a married couple, or touching things or entering rooms, but reverence is given to things set apart for God’s presence/dwelling.
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Vico
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The human person is a composite of rational soul and a body, uniquely suited. For Jesus Christ there is also the Person of the Son. The human nature only is from Mary. The phrase used to describe the incarnation is that the Son of God assumed human nature. St. John Damascene says (De Fide Orth. iii, 11) that the Son of God “did not assume human nature as a species, nor did He assume all its hypostases.”
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Augustine3
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Her perpetual virginity points to her continuous total self giving to God.
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joeybaggz
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Where did you get that from and in whose eyes?
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Agathon
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The Apostle Paul.OsculeturMeOsculo:
Where did you get that from and in whose eyes?
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