Mary as ever virgin

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Humor me. Please reference the specific verses. You may include the Greek and provide your translation if you like. Although I don’t have my Greek font set for this computer, I can probably figure out what you are trying to say. Again, Jerome is not deriving his belief from the Gospels, he is pulling it from the Protoevangelion of James, which states by the way that Jesus didn’t exit from Mary’s body in the normal birth manner (trying to be reverent about an earthy topic) but that he appeared outside her womb. A gnostic belief. And from the Ascension of Isaiah, another pseudepigraphal work. He tries to force the assertions made by these two documents into the text of Matthew, primarily.
 
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So you find it logical that Joseph would dare approach the mother of the Incarnate God for sexual relations?
 
I find it logical that Joseph would dare approach his wife, as Matthew asserts, and as evidenced by their children. Yes.
 
Again, only Protestants insist that Mary was and is not perpetually virgin.
 
Is that an argument based on scriptural evidence or an ad hominem attack?
 
That wasn’t the point of my statement. The point of my statement is that your position on that dogma is unsupported by scriptural evidence. If its your position that the Christian faith, particularly those doctrines to which people are required to hold in faith at the risk of being anathematized, does not require grounding in scripture, then so be it.
 
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Hmm, you have a problem with supporting doctrine through scripture? Let me ask you how would you then defend against serious doctrinal error such as Nestorianism, or Arianism? Tradition alone? If anything goes if enough people want to believe it, then how do you deny things such as universalism? What if the Pope for example was teaching that agnostics could be saved by works?
 
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Not going to get drawn into straw man arguments. Not going to respond to fundamentalist-style proof texting, either. Both logic and systematic theology support Mary’s perpetual viginiry.
'Nuff said.
 
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Not all Protestants. Only some. Martin Luther himself, for instance, believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.
 
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Right.
Not saying all Protestants attack Mary’s perpetual virginity, but only Protestants do so. Particularly those of the fundamentalist variety.
 
I think it’s a Baptist/Pentecostal thing. Not sure about the Calvinist churches.
 
Unfortunately I’ve read and heard many reformed types do so as well.
Some refuse to call Mary the Mother of God as well. Which shows utter ignorance of both motherhood and the hypostatic union in the Incarnation.
 
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Jewish law would have required that a younger brother of Jesus assume Mary’s care and protection upon Jesus’ death. Yet our Lord gave His mother to the Apostle John…
 
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The perpetual virginity of Mary is a Marian doctrine taught by the Catholic Church and held by a number of group since Christianity which asserts that Mary (the mother of Jesus was “always a virgin, before, during and after the birth of Jesus Christ.” because Jesus came out of her like a light, a miraculous birth. John 1:4, 5 in Him was life and the life was the light of all people.5 The light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not overcome it. Those people who mistranslated as young women give silly excuse to discredit Mary’s status and of being a virgin
 
i agree with you,
The holy angels obeyed their Queen and, visible only to Her, stood in attendance. In this glorious company She spoke to her spouse saint Joseph, and said to him: "My lord and spouse, it is just that we give praise and glory with all reverence to our God and Creator, who is infinite in goodness and incomprehensible in his judgments. To us, who are so needy, He has manifested his greatness and mercy in choosing us for his service. I acknowledge myself among all creatures as more beholden and indebted to Him than all others, and more than all of them together; for, meriting less. I have received from his liberal hand more than they. At a tender age, being compelled thereto by the force of this truth, which, with the knowledge of the deceitfulness of visible things, his divine light made known to me, I consecrated myself to God by a perpetual vow of chastity in body and soul; his I am and Him I acknowledge as my Spouse and Lord, with fixed resolve to preserve for Him my chastity. I beseech thee, my master, to help me in fulfilling this vow, while in all other things I will be thy servant, willing to work for the comfort of thy life as long as mine shall last. Yield, my spouse, to this resolve and make a like resolve, in order that, offering ourselves as an acceptable sacrifice to our eternal God, He may receive us in the odor of sweetness and bestow on us the eternal goods for which we hope."

The most chaste spouse Joseph, full of interior joy at the words of his heavenly Spouse, answered Her: "My Mistress, in making known to me thy chaste and welcome sentiments, thou hast penetrated and dilated my heart. I have not opened my thoughts to Thee before knowing thy own. I also acknowledge myself under greater obligation to the Lord of creation than other men; for very early He has called me by his true enlightenment to love Him with an upright heart; and I desire Thee to know, Lady, that at the age of twelve years I also made a promise to serve the Most High in perpetual chastity. On this account I now gladly ratify this vow in order not to impede thy own; in the presence of his Majesty I promise to aid Thee, as far as in me lies, in serving Him and loving Him according to thy full desires. I will be, with the divine grace, thy most faithful servant and companion, and I pray Thee accept my chaste love and hold me as thy brother, without ever entertaining any other kind of love, outside the one which Thou owest to God and after God to me. In this conversation the Most High confirmed anew the virtue of chastity in the heart of saint Joseph, and the pure and holy love due to his most holy spouse Mary.** This love the saint already had in an eminent degree, and the Lady herself augmented it sweetly, dilating his heart by her most prudent discourse.
 
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