Mary as ever virgin

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Just say the Rosary Every Heresy will be defeated,for centuries millions of people have keep themselves holy even with out knowing the Bible, but they had faith and practiced them.


The Rosary and Saint Dominic Defeat Heresy
The Rosary—as a spiritual weapon against evil—has a very long and precious history. In twelfth and thirteenth century France, a group of heretics known as the Albigensians was destroying the minds of the Catholic laity with its erroneous ideas. The Albigensians’ teachings encouraged suicide, many times by self-induced starvation, because they believed that the body was an intrinsic evil and that the soul must be liberated from matter at all costs. However, as history often shows, Providence raises up great Saints in times of dire crises. This time it was no different. Saint Dominic, born of noble lineage, received the Rosary from Our Lady in the year 1214. Our Lady gave Saint Dominic the Rosary as a weapon to combat the awful Albigensian heresy.

The Rosary as we know it today took some time to develop. After Saint Dominic died in the year 1221, the Rosary was almost immediately forgotten. However, in 1464 Our Lord, Our Lady, and Saint Dominic appeared to Blessed Alan de la Roche, a Dominican friar, after which he preached the Rosary until his death in 1475. This tremendous apostolate by Blessed Alan de la Roche, through the direct intercession of Our Lady, made the Rosary a widespread devotion. The fifteen mysteries as we know them came about through the many confraternities founded after Blessed Alan de la Roche’s preaching, and were formalized with Pope Saint Pius V’s encyclical, Consueverunt.
 
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The Most High announced to his Virgin Mother, that the time of his coming into the world had arrived and what would be the manner in which this was now to be fulfilled and executed. The most prudent Lady perceived in this vision the purpose and exalted scope of these wonderful mysteries and sacraments, as well in so far as related to the Lord himself as also in so far as they concerned creatures, for whose benefit they had been primarily decreed. She prostrated Herself before the throne of his Divinity and gave Him glory, magnificence, thanks and praise for Herself and for all creatures, such as was befitting the ineffable mercy and condescension of his divine love. At the same time She asked of the divine Majesty new light and grace in order to be able worthily to undertake the service and worship and the rearing up of the Word made flesh, whom She was to bear in Her arms and nourish with her virginal milk. This petition the heavenly Mother brought forward with the profoundest humility, as one who understood the greatness of this new sacrament. She held Herself unworthy of the office of rearing up and conversing as a Mother with a God incarnate of which even the highest seraphim are incapable. Prudently and humbly did the Mother of wisdom ponder and weigh this matter. And because She humbled Herself to the dust and acknowledged her nothingness in the presence of the Almighty, therefore his Majesty raised Her up and confirmed anew upon Her the title of Mother of God. He commanded Her to exercise this office and ministry of a legitimate and true Mother of Himself; that She should treat Him as the Son of the eternal Father and at the same time the Son of her womb. All this could be easily entrusted to such a Mother, in whom was contained an excellence that words cannot express.
 
The most holy Mary remained in this ecstasy and beatific vision for over an hour immediately preceding her divine delivery. At the moment when She issued from it and regained the use of her senses She felt and saw that the body of the infant God began to move in her virginal womb; how, releasing and freeing Himself from the place which in the course of nature He had occupied for nine months, He now prepared to issue forth from that sacred bridal chamber. This movement not only did not cause any pain or hardship, as happens with the other daughters of Adam and Eve in their childbirths; but filled Her with incomparable joy and delight, causing in her soul and in her virginal body such exalted and divine effects that they exceed all thoughts of men. Her body became so spiritualized with the beauty of heaven that She seemed no more a human and earthly creature. Her countenance emitted rays of light, like a sun incarnadined, and shone in indescribable earnestness and majesty, all inflamed with fervent love. She was kneeling in the manger, her eyes raised to heaven, her hands joined and folded at her breast, her soul wrapped in the Divinity and She herself was entirely deified. In this position, and at the end of the heavenly rapture, the most exalted Lady gave to the world the Onlybegotten of the Father and her own, our Savior Jesus, true God and man, at the hour of midnight, on a Sunday, in the year of the creation of the world five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine (5199), which is the date given in the Roman Church, and which date has been manifested to me as the true and certain one.

At the end of the beatific rapture and vision of the Mother ever Virgin, which I have described above, was born the Sun of Justice, the Onlybegotten of the eternal Father and of Mary most pure, beautiful, refulgent and immaculate, leaving Her untouched in her virginal integrity and purity and making Her more godlike and forever sacred; for He did not divide, but penetrated the virginal chamber as the rays of the sun penetrate the crystal shrine, lighting it up in prismatic beauty.
 
The infant God therefore was brought forth from the virginal chamber unencumbered by any corporeal material substance foreign to Himself. But He came forth glorious and transfigured for the divine infinite wisdom decreed and ordained that the glory of his most holy soul should in his Birth overflow and communicate itself to his body, participating in the gifts of glory in the same way as happened afterwards in his Transfiguration on mount Tabor in the presence of the Apostles (Matth. 17, 2). This miracle was not necessary in order to penetrate the virginal enclosure and to leave unimpaired the virginal integrity; for without this Transfiguration God could have brought this about by other miracles. Thus say the holy doctors, who see no other miracle in this Birth than that the Child was born without impairing the virginity of the Mother. It was the will of God that the most b1essed Virgin should look upon the body of her Son, the God-man, for this first time in a glorified state for two reasons. The one was in order that by this divine vision the most prudent Mother should conceive the highest reverence for the Majesty of Him whom She was to treat as her Son, the true God-man. Although She was already informed of his two-fold nature, the Lord nevertheless ordained that by ocular demonstration She be filled with new graces, corresponding to the greatness of her most holy Son, which was thus manifested to Her in a visible manner. The second reason was to reward by this wonder the fidelity and holiness of the divine Mother; for her most pure and chaste eyes, that had turned away from all earthly things for love of her most holy Son, were to see Him at his very Birth in this glory and thus be rejoiced and rewarded for her loyalty and beautiful love.
 
In his defense of the Perpetual Virginity, Jerome states that this belief rose from Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, and Polycarp. Two of these men were contemporaries of the Apostles.
 
I read Jerome’s treatise on the perpetual virginity of Mary, and will have to look for any quotes that are actually listed by him. I did not see any, but will look again. Irenaeus who is a great early father, who wrote his treatises against gnosticism, was a great man, but flawed as well. If we take all that Ireneaus has to say on the subject, we would have to believe that Christ was 50 when he was crucified. Why is that not church tradition? Tertullian in contrast did not side with the perpetual virginity of Mary. So much for early church consensus. What he actually does quote from is the Ascension of Isaiah (pseudepigraphal, gnostic, and 3rd - 4th Century) and Protoevangelion of James (also pseudepigraphal, gnostic, and 2nd - 3rd Century). He uses both of these unorthodox documents to overturn the clear reading of the gospels regarding Joseph and Mary’s relationship and the lineage of Jesus siblings. Helviddus to whom he was replying was actually providing the orthodox position. And since we are trying to use Jerome as the authority figure here, why did his view of the canon, which is that the apocryphal works are beneficial but not inspired in the sense of the canon, not rule the day? Picking and choosing your traditions pretty liberally.
 
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Yes indeed. Many Protestants, unfortunately, choose to ignore the Church Fathers. As if John MacArthur or Charles Stanley are all the teaching authority they need.
 
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yes,they keep finding,fault with the Church Fathers, and finding ways, means loopholes,who don’t want to accept facts about the status of Mother Mary, as their pride and ego’s will not let them.but the humble and contrite of heart who sincerely seek the truth like a child,will not doubt her .
 
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Yes! That Mary is ever virgin, ever sinless, and the most exalted of God’s creatures should be self-evident, and understanding this in no way detracts from Christ’s glory. I will never comprehend the urge to demean Mary. It can only come from the devil, who hates our blessed Mother and fears even the sound of her name.
 
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The perpetual virginity of Mary is a Marian doctrine taught by the Catholic Church and held by a number of group since Christianity which asserts that Mary (the mother of Jesus was “always a virgin, before, during and after the birth of Jesus Christ.” because Jesus came out of her like a light, a miraculous birth. John 1:4, 5 in Him was life and the life was the light of all people.5 The light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not overcome it. Those people who mistranslated as young women give silly excuse to discredit Mary’s status and of being a virgin

Galatians 4:26 But the other woman corresponds to the Jerusalem above; she is free (from sin)and she is our mother ( MARY). (MOTHER MARY IS SINLESS and Mary retain "perpetual virginity), 27 For it is written, “Rejoice, you childless one, you who bear no children, burst into song and shout, you who endure no birth pangs; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than the children of the one who is married.”
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I will never comprehend the urge to demean Mary. It can only come from the devil, who hates our blessed Mother and fears even the sound of her name.
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yes i agree with you

Revelation 12:14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle=(ST John) that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 The serpent poured water=(Word of God, false doctrines as some protestants does ) like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth=(Catholic and all those who honor Her and respect Her) opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman(Mother Mary ), and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring= (Catholic and other who honor Mother Mary , on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
 
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Revelation 11:19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.

Revelation 12:1-2 A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman (Mother Mary) clothed with the sun (Glory Wisdom 7:26 For she (Mother Mary) is a reflection of eternal light=Jesus Psalm 45:9 daughters of kings are among your ladies of honor;at your(Jesus) right hand stands the queen(Mary) in gold of Ophir.

John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life.”, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of his goodness.), with the moon under her feet (Power given to Her in the Church By Jesus on the Cross the last Treasure and the most important before his death only then he could finishes the will of God ), and on her head a crown of twelve stars (12 Apostles and the 12 Tribes of Israel) (Queen of Heaven also Co -redeemer).
 
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The same Tertullian whose writings became the basis upon which the Trinity was defended at the Council of Nicaea. Besides, I didn’t think Catholic Apologetics was too concerned about the sources of their doctrine since you use Origen’s statements to originate the doctrine of Purgatory, and use gnostic documents to support the Marian dogmas.
 
Ezekiel 44:2
The Lord said to me, “This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened. No one may go through it. It must remain shut because the Lord the God of Israel has entered through it.”
 
Canticles 4:12
A garden enclosed is my sister, my spouse: a spring shut up, a fountain sealed up.
 
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The same Tertullian whose writings became the basis upon which the Trinity was defended at the Council of Nicaea. Besides, I didn’t think Catholic Apologetics was too concerned about the sources of their doctrine since you use Origen’s statements to originate the doctrine of Purgatory, and use gnostic documents to support the Marian dogmas.
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The Protoevangelium isn’t Gnostic, it’s just apocryphal.
 
Agathon said:
The Protoevangelium isn’t Gnostic, it’s just apocryphal.
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Well, let’s see shall we?

“And he found a cave there, and led her into it; and leaving his two sons beside her, he went out to seek a widwife in the district of Bethlehem. And I Joseph was walking, and was not walking; and I looked up into the sky, and saw the sky astonished; and I looked up to the pole of the heavens, and saw it standing, and the birds of the air keeping still. And I looked down upon the earth, and saw a trough lying, and work-people reclining: and their hands were in the trough. And those that were eating did not eat, and those that were rising did not carry it up, and those that were conveying anything to their mouths did not convey it; but the faces of all were looking upwards. And I saw the sheep walking, and the sheep stood still; and the shepherd raised his hand to strike them, and his hand remained up. And I looked upon the current of the river, and I saw the mouths of the kids resting on the water and not drinking, and all things in a moment were driven from their course.
19. And I saw a woman coming down from the hill-country, and she said to me: O man, whither art thou going? And I said: I am seeking an Hebrew midwife. And she answered and said unto me: Art thou of Israel? And I said to her: Yes. And she said: And who is it that is bringing forth in the cave? And I said: A woman betrothed to me. And she said to me: Is she not thy wife? And I said to her: It is Mary that was reared in the temple of the Lord, and I obtained her by lot as my wife. And yet she is not my wife, but has conceived of the Holy Spirit. And the widwife said to him: Is this true? And Joseph said to her: Come and see. And the midwife went away with him. And they stood in the place of the cave, and behold a luminous cloud overshadowed the cave. And the midwife said: My soul has been magnified this day, because mine eyes have seen strange things – because salvation has been brought forth to Israel. And immediately the cloud disappeared out of the cave, and a great light shone in the cave, so that the eyes could not bear it. And in a little that light gradually decreased, until the infant appeared, and went and took the breast from His mother Mary. And the midwife cried out, and said: This is a great day to me, because I have seen this strange sight. And the midwife went forth out of the cave, and Salome met her. And she said to her: Salome, Salome, I have a strange sight to relate to thee: a virgin has brought forth – a thing which her nature admits not of. Then said Salome: As the Lord my God liveth, unless I thrust in my finger, and search the parts, I will not believe that a virgin has brought forth.”

I would say the supernatural birth narrative of Christ where time stops (reminds me of the movie Legend for some reason) and the baby does not actually come out of Mary but appears in the cave in a ball of light, then as a newborn goes up to Mary and begins suckling counts as tinged by more than just a little Gnosticism. If that’s what you want to hang your hat on rather than the narratives of Luke and Matthew, be my guest.
 
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If that’s what you want to hang your hat on rather than the narratives of Luke and Matthew, be my guest.
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No one here has done that, but, if you want to promote falsehood, be my guest. As I stated before, in case you didn’t read, “The Protoevangelium is apocryphal, not Gnostic.”
 
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Read it yourself. You have a supernatural birth narrative that presents Christ as born unnaturally attempting to make him something other than fully man. That’s certainly representative of the gnostic antipathy toward Christ being a man.
 
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