Mary Co-Redemptrix ... Pope says No and I am confused

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In a general sense,
If I hear someone go on and on say, about Mary,
yet never hear in any depth their relationship with JESUS,
I almost lose all interest…

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Tis_Bearself said:
Yes, we obtain everything through Mary
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Ultimately God, Yes?

In the sense that Mary is Jesus’ mother yes…

and in Mary’s messages - Keep your Focus upon JESUS

which is what all His Apostles, Disciples do. .
 
The way I see it, @EndTimes is that without Our Lady’s Fiat at the Annunciation; we wouldn’t have Jesus.

The root of my devotion to Our Lady is that she said the most important Yes a woman ever said and that she is the Mother of God.

Also, look at it like this:

The Commandment says: Honor thy father and thy mother.

Jesus certainly honored and loved His Mother. Am I better than Christ to not do the same?
 
Michael16 said:
The way I see it, @EndTimes is that without Our Lady’s Fiat at the Annunciation; we wouldn’t have Jesus.
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Sure…

That said, and without ever forgetting that, the vast majority of my energies goes to my Lord, Jesus. .

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Michael16 said:
Are you ignoring the rest of my post, @EndTimes?
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Did you ignore this post of mine?

In a general sense,
If I hear someone go on and on say, about Mary,
yet never hear in any depth their relationship with JESUS,
I almost lose all interest…

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No, @EndTimes. Just trying to understand you.

Who do you think Our Lady points to? From that premise, any devotion to Our Lady leads to her Son.

If we love our Mother and does what she says, we do what He says.
 
I understand, @EndTimes. But, as long as we recognize Jesus as Who He is in our devotion to Our Lady; our devotion is catholic.
 
Michael16 said:
I understand, @EndTimes
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I’m thinking that you really do not fully understand…

In a general sense,
If I hear someone go on and on say, about Mary,
yet never hear in any depth their relationship with JESUS,
I almost lose all interest…
 
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How’s that not the same thing, @EndTimes?

Being in relationship with our Mother is the same as being in relationship with Him.
 
Here’s my question, @EndTimes:

Jesus’ love and devotion to His Mother; did that ever detract from the depth of His relationship with the Father?
 
Michael16 said:
Jesus’ love and devotion to His Mother; did that ever detract from the depth of His relationship with the Father?
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That’s a shift from what I’ve said

If you’re incapable of speaking just about Jesus // His GOSPEL…
As all the Apostles and Disciples did…
Then I’ve no interest…
 
EndTimes said:
It’s False to make comments as if they applied to entire Group of people when they don’t.

As in “Catholics do this…” Or, “Jews do that…” ETc…

Please to say at least "some… ", for even that vague generality makes a world of difference.
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If this thread hadn’t already descended into pedantry, it’s certainly there now. OK, then: Does the Catholic Church teach the things I’ve noted? Sufficient specificity. You’re welcome.
 
I agree that we’re all called, in the orthodox sense, to be co-redeemers, in the sense of praying for and suffering for others’ salvation. St. Paul refers to “completing in his body the afflictions of Christ” (Col 1:24) and suffering for the comfort and salvation also of the Corinthians (2 Cor 1:6 I think).

I think that supports the title of "Co-Redemptrix, as a number of Popes have called her.

The difference is that Mary is the worthy Mother of God. So, as a saint said, to comprehend the mother we must comprehend the Son. In other words, to understand the greatness of the Mother of God, a creature, we must understand how much grace she was given in order to be worthy to become the Mother of the Son of God.

God has exalted her to such an extent that it’s not possible for God to exalt a creature more, as Pope Pius IX says. Saint-doctors of the Church likewise tell us that it’s not possible for God to exalt a creature more than he does by making that creature His Mother.

This means that Mary suffered inexpressibly more than all creatures, through her great love for her Son and for each human person.

The title “Co-Redemptrix” also seems to re-affirm Christ’s humanity. That he wants our help in order to save other souls. Protestants believe this as well, implicitly, since they believe that we are saved through the writing of the Scriptures by humans, and through people hearing the Gospel preached, people praying for us, etc.

I feel so consoled and helped to be close to Christ, knowing that my mother is so exalted and yet is constantly close to me, helping make sure that I don’t move away from Jesus.
 
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