Mary Co-Redemptrix?

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delorean_boy:
yes most definitely!
Our Lady Of All Nations Requests it, as the official recognition of her vocation; in her apparition in Amsterdam.
she says that it will be the final Marian Dogma and it will be her Crown!
by the way this apparition has been thouroughly investigated by the local authority and has been approved by the local bishops

www.marypages.com
I did some quick research on this one… Does this apparition have official approved status yet with the Church? There appears to be some conflicting information out there in regards to its official status. Some Catholics are quite opposed to it apparently. Personally, seems to me that this pointing to one’s self over and over and the demanding of high titles sounds little like the Mary we read of in Scripture and more like…well…something else entirely.
 
Back to the original question…

Would Jesus hesitate to bestow this title on His Blessed Mother?

If He would not, shouldn’t we follow His example?

To base our beliefs on what is popular or what might be misunderstood is a terrible trap. We must believe because it is Truth, which is God Himself.
 
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Didi:
Back to the original question…

Would Jesus hesitate to bestow this title on His Blessed Mother?

If He would not, shouldn’t we follow His example?

To base our beliefs on what is popular or what might be misunderstood is a terrible trap. We must believe because it is Truth, which is God Himself.
I have a hard time seperating these titles from “pride”, which doesn’t resemble anything I have read of Mary’s humility in the Bible. As for the post regarding the apparrition mentioned earlier, it reminds me more of the queen in the *Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe than our beautiful Mary. *You will worship and bestow high titles upon me, or else! Does that sound like a good creation, or something more sinister in its nature and design? But that’s just me… I am very suspicious of apparitions in general. What, for instance, prevents the enemy from appearing to us in the guise of someone good–such as Mary? As the Catechism reminds us, God can always extract some good from evil events, but that doesn’t mean we necessarily should accept every appearance of Mary as authentic or true.
 
Recent Marian dogmas were approved after catastrophic events - WWII for the Assumption, and the secular turmoil of the middle 19th century for the Immaculate Conception. The world may have to go through crisis to be ready to receive doctrine that is implicit in the Church’s tradition.
 
Food for thought here only… IF the earlier-referenced apparition was never approved by the Church in any official sense, then who sent it? If it was sent by someone other than God, then we might take care to verify the sender before we run to take the advice.
 
If the chief argument against the title of co-redemptrix is that it would be difficult for non-Catholics to accept, then there should be no concern for Catholics. When Jesus declared the dogma of the Eucharist, He did not relent when several of his followers would not accept it and deserted Him. The truth is the truth. If the heretics and schismatics cannot accept it, so what? The Church is not a democracy and does not require the validation of a majority of believers and/or non-believers to define dogma. Let’s declare the truth and trust in the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
 
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delorean_boy:
It was approved by the local bishops, which i think is all thats needed. I posted a link to a description of it.
www.marypages.com
check it out
Thanks… I think I’d be more comfortable with wider level of acceptance–from a non-biased group. Sometimes the defense of these appearances seems to take on a sort of nationalism by their supporters. Besides, it still seems that the tone of this particular appearance differs quite a bit from other appearances, which also happen to be more widely accepted by the Church. After all, if our enemy desires us to call Mary the “Co-Redemptrix”, that should give all its supporters reason for pause. Besides, shouldn’t we all be pretty skeptical of anything coming out of this particular country? I am afraid to admit my herritage is from that neck of the woods, but the region is not exactly known for its conservative thought and reason.

Signing-off now for flight to Dallas… Merry Christmas!
 
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Thanks… I think I’d be more comfortable with wider level of acceptance–from a non-biased group. Sometimes the defense of these appearances seems to take on a sort of nationalism by their supporters. Besides, it still seems that the tone of this particular appearance differs quite a bit from other appearances, which also happen to be more widely accepted by the Church. After all, if our enemy desires us to call Mary the “Co-Redemptrix”, that should give all its supporters reason for pause. Besides, shouldn’t we all be pretty skeptical of anything coming out of this particular country? I am afraid to admit my herritage is from that neck of the woods, but the region is not exactly known for its conservative thought and reason.

Signing-off now for flight to Dallas… Merry Christmas!
I agree to a point that we should be skeptical, but not overly so. If the bishop finds it true then i have no problem with it.
The issue is not whether to call our Mother the co-redemtrix, for she is all ready called this, but whether or not it should become a dogma of the faith. Theologically it is sound, but i think the main objection is that non catholics may get the wrong idea or be offended by it.
As far as that region of the world goes, let us not forget that many of our faithful chrurch militant are over there in the trenches fighting the devil’s modernism, they deserve our fervent prayers.
 
As for myself, I love Our Lady and any title that would hold her in esteem would not bother me one bit…after all she does hold the title ‘Queen of The Angels’…
“Queen of the Angels”? Mary, Mother of God was a creature, a human being, and as I understand it we cannot become angels. Now Mary, Mother of God is Queen of Heaven which includes all of heaven including the saints, angels, and anything else in heaven. This is a much larger constituency than just angels which are only spirits with no body. Remember, our Holy Mother is in heaven with her human body intact.

Or am I wrong about this?

But the reason I am responding and bumping this old thread, is I as a converting person to the Church was wondering what ever happened to the Co-Redemptrix petition of 1999. Did Pope John Paul II ever comment or take any action on this petition? I understand Mother Teresa supported and spoke in favor of it. I am very curious if Pope John Paul II or even Pope Benedict IVI ever spoke of it.
 
“Queen of the Angels”? Mary, Mother of God was a creature, a human being, and as I understand it we cannot become angels. Now Mary, Mother of God is Queen of Heaven which includes all of heaven including the saints, angels, and anything else in heaven. This is a much larger constituency than just angels which are only spirits with no body. Remember, our Holy Mother is in heaven with her human body intact.

Or am I wrong about this?

But the reason I am responding and bumping this old thread, is I as a converting person to the Church was wondering what ever happened to the Co-Redemptrix petition of 1999. Did Pope John Paul II ever comment or take any action on this petition? I understand Mother Teresa supported and spoke in favor of it. I am very curious if Pope John Paul II or even Pope Benedict IVI ever spoke of it.
Tarzan was King of the Jungle. That doesn’t mean he’s a tree or an ape. He could be called King of the Trees, King of the Apes, King of the Jungle – he’s also King of the Worms and King of the Mosquitos since they are also in the Jungle, but being lower creatures, such a title bestows less honor.

I think a similar analogy could be applied to Mary. She is Queen of Heaven, Queen of the Angels, Queen of the Saints, Queen of Humanity. However, angels and saints being perfect, it is a much higher honor to call her Queen of the Angels (and/or Saints), than to call her Queen of Humanity. The angels, like Mary, are also creatures, but Mary is the most perfect of God’s creatures.

As far as the Co-Redemptrix, I believe there was a question about that in this month’s This Rock magazine answered by Fr. Vincent Serpa. There would probably not be any action taken on this for some time, due to the vast misunderstanding of its meaning by both Catholics and non-Catholics.
 
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