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In addition to fulfilling the prophecies of the OT, the notion of Mary being ever virgin is essential to a guarantee that Jesus the man was indeed the Son of God and not the son of Joseph. I have no doubt that the “Fathers” recognized thism when they studied and wrote what they did. What do we moderns mean by virginity? I bet there are more than one answer out there.
 
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In addition to fulfilling the prophecies of the OT, the notion of Mary being ever virgin is essential to a guarantee that Jesus the man was indeed the Son of God and not the son of Joseph. I have no doubt that the “Fathers” recognized thism when they studied and wrote what they did. What do we moderns mean by virginity? I bet there are more than one answer out there.
LOL! I’d like to ask that question of Bill Clinton! I bet nearly anything would pass for virginity! :o

Alan
 
As an Eastern Catholic, we use the ProtoEvangelium of St. James the Apostle to tell the history of the Mary and the Holy Family. To my suprise I found they use it here on Catholic Answers. This was written by ST. James the Apostle, and since the Bible is about Jesus, it was not included when the Councils selectd the Scriptures to be in. But it does give us a complete picture of the family history. Mary was taken to the Temple by St. Anne and Joachim at around the age of three. And this is how we know her parents name it is not in Scripture anywhere. If you look at an icon of her, you will often find her holding a small spindle of yarn. This is because she made the veil that was torn in the temple at Christ’s death on the Cross.
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An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120), when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many.

To begin with, the Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity.

However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated "virgin of the Lord," to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion).

According to the Protoevangelium, Joseph was required to regard Mary’s vow of virginity with the utmost respect. The gravity of his responsibility as the guardian of a virgin was indicated by the fact that, when she was discovered to be with child, he had to answer to the Temple authorities, who thought him guilty of defiling a virgin of the Lord. Mary was also accused of having forsaken the Lord by breaking her vow. Keeping this in mind, it is an incredible insult to the Blessed Virgin to say that she broke her vow by bearing children other than her Lord and God, who was conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The perpetual virginity of Mary has always been reconciled with the biblical references to Christ’s brethren through a proper understanding of the meaning of the term "brethren." The understanding that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ stepbrothers (children of Joseph) rather than half-brothers (children of Mary) was the most common one until the time of Jerome (fourth century). It was Jerome who introduced the possibility that Christ’s brethren were actually his cousins, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as "brethren." The Catholic Church allows the faithful to hold either view, since both are compatible with the reality of Mary’s perpetual virginity.

Here is the whole link.  I would also suggest you get a copy of the ProtoEvangelium and read it...
[catholic.com/library/Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp](http://www.catholic.com/library/Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp)

Pani Rose
 
Huiou Theou:
The line of David is traced through Joseph for certain, and less certain through Mary (She was, after all, cousin to Elizabeth – a purebred Levite!).
I just wanted to point out that seeing as close relatives are often referred to as brothers in Hebrew culture, “cousin” is probably refering to a much broader relationship than the strict meaning we have for the word in English. Mary was living in the temple from early childhood and Elizabeth was the wife of the priest Zacharias so it is more than likely that they developed a very close relationship, considering each other family. The bible does actually make it clear that they were not in fact blood cousins. Elizabeth is a descendant of Aaron (Luke 1:5) and Mary is a descendant of Juda due to the fact that she was an only child and betrothed to Joseph. She had to marry within her tribe so that her share in her tribe’s inheritance would not pass to another tribe (Numbers 27:1-11 and Numbers 36:1-12).

It also just occurred to me that Joseph took Mary with him to Bethlehem because Mary also had to register in David’s town due to being a descendant of David. Why else would he take the heavily pregnant Mary on such an arduous journey? I’m afraid I have never been clear as to whether Luke 1:27 is referring to Mary being of the house of David, or Joseph.

John.
 
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prodromos:
The bible does actually make it clear that they were not in fact blood cousins.
I need to correct myself here. It seems that Mary’s mother, St Anne, was in fact also a descendant of Aaron, so Mary and Elizabeth were indeed cousins.

I humbly seek your forgiveness for posting something as fact which was actually false.

John.
 
We ask so many questions, and I don’t know sometimes if it is good or bad, probably both.

“Hypothetical situation”. A young unmarried woman is pregnant with child in a society where to be in such a situation probably meant stoning or who knows what terrible fate, by the way who is going to believe the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and the child she is to bare would be the Son of God. Ok.
How should God arrange such a complicated situation, where Mary, who in every aspect is the bride of the Holy Spirit, can save face and lead a normal life to raise to manhood the Man God. God Had Joseph in mind, who was a godly man who I am sure knew a little more than the average bear, based on what had been revealed to him,in regards to whose child the woman he was going to marry, was carrying. You know, we have the answer, yet, we think so much with the part we sit on, and not give God enough credit, and aknowledge the true miracle of the Immaculate Conception, of the woman who said yes to God, and gave us Our Lord and Saviour.

Blessed be the name of Jesus
 
This is a really old thread, but I was searching the archives for something else and ame upon this. Further up this thread people were wondering WHY it is important that Mary was and remained a virgin. It was posited that it was related to the Church’s hang-ups about sex. As usual the Catechism sums it up nicely:

[503](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/503.htm’)😉 Mary’s virginity manifests God’s absolute initiative in the Incarnation. Jesus has only God as Father. "He was never estranged from the Father because of the human nature which he assumed. . . He is naturally Son of the Father as to his divinity and naturally son of his mother as to his humanity, but properly Son of the Father in both natures."161

[504](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/504.htm’)😉 Jesus is conceived by the Holy Spirit in the Virgin Mary’s womb because he is the New Adam, who inaugurates the new creation: "The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven."162 From his conception, Christ’s humanity is filled with the Holy Spirit, for God "gives him the Spirit without measure."163 From “his fullness” as the head of redeemed humanity "we have all received, grace upon grace."164

[505](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/505.htm’)😉 By his virginal conception, Jesus, the New Adam, ushers in the new birth of children adopted in the Holy Spirit through faith. "How can this be?"165 Participation in the divine life arises “not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God”.166 The acceptance of this life is virginal because it is entirely the Spirit’s gift to man. The spousal character of the human vocation in relation to God167 is fulfilled perfectly in Mary’s virginal motherhood.

[506](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/506.htm’)😉 Mary is a virgin because her virginity is the sign of her faith “unadulterated by any doubt”, and of her undivided gift of herself to God’s will.168 It is her faith that enables her to become the mother of the Savior: "Mary is more blessed because she embraces faith in Christ than because she conceives the flesh of Christ."169 [507](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/507.htm’)😉 At once virgin and mother, Mary is the symbol and the most perfect realization of the Church: "the Church indeed. . . by receiving the word of God in faith becomes herself a mother. By preaching and Baptism she brings forth sons, who are conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of God, to a new and immortal life. She herself is a virgin, who keeps in its entirety and purity the faith she pledged to her spouse."170
 
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This is a really old thread, but I was searching the archives for something else and ame upon this. Further up this thread people were wondering WHY it is important that Mary was and remained a virgin. It was posited that it was related to the Church’s hang-ups about sex. As usual the Catechism sums it up nicely:

503 Mary’s virginity manifests God’s absolute initiative in the Incarnation. Jesus has only God as Father. "He was never estranged from the Father because of the human nature which he assumed. . . He is naturally Son of the Father as to his divinity and naturally son of his mother as to his humanity, but properly Son of the Father in both natures."161

504 Jesus is conceived by the Holy Spirit in the Virgin Mary’s womb because he is the New Adam, who inaugurates the new creation: "The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven."162 From his conception, Christ’s humanity is filled with the Holy Spirit, for God "gives him the Spirit without measure."163 From “his fullness” as the head of redeemed humanity "we have all received, grace upon grace."164

505 By his virginal conception, Jesus, the New Adam, ushers in the new birth of children adopted in the Holy Spirit through faith. "How can this be?"165 Participation in the divine life arises “not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God”.166 The acceptance of this life is virginal because it is entirely the Spirit’s gift to man. The spousal character of the human vocation in relation to God167 is fulfilled perfectly in Mary’s virginal motherhood.

506 Mary is a virgin because her virginity is the sign of her faith “unadulterated by any doubt”, and of her undivided gift of herself to God’s will.168 It is her faith that enables her to become the mother of the Savior: "Mary is more blessed because she embraces faith in Christ than because she conceives the flesh of Christ."169 507 At once virgin and mother, Mary is the symbol and the most perfect realization of the Church: "the Church indeed. . . by receiving the word of God in faith becomes herself a mother. By preaching and Baptism she brings forth sons, who are conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of God, to a new and immortal life. She herself is a virgin, who keeps in its entirety and purity the faith she pledged to her spouse."170
:amen:
 
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