Mary in Islam

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Sister_Amy said:
Do you have the ability to see my heart? And look into the past and see what my heart used to look like? Unless you do, it’s not your place to make a judgment on my heart.

You said “Correct me if I’m wrong” so I’m correcting you. The answer is no–and people leave Islam all the time. The Qur’an says, as I’m sure you’ve heard, that there is no compulsion in religion. The only way that a penalty can ever be applied for apostasy is in the case of an Islamic state, with an Islamic leadership, where the apostasy rather than a mere change of beliefs is actually an act of treason. It does not apply at all in this day and age, not anywhere in the world. So no.

I stay a Muslim out of my love for God, not out of fear of death. 🙂
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I have a Muslim friend who seems to think differently.

She plays internet poker, and good at it apparently, I said she should play for money, she said she coulden’t per her religion, I said fine, I’ll Baptise you, you play poker then convert back, she laughed and said “sure, as long as I’m back[from las Vegas] in three days” She seemed to be under the impression that a Muslim could be killed after three days for converting from Islam, now this may well be an state thing however she gave no indication that this was the case.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Why isn’t he–I’m not aware of any teaching that answers the question, but I can’t see how anyone other than Jesus would be–and given the role of Jesus in Islam, that he will return and rule, I think that makes sense of his title “Messiah.”
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Are you saying that Messiah means “Chosen to Return”?
 
Sister_Amy said:
AgnosTheist and Booklover had also accused me of this thing which you said earlier, and then pointed out that whatever it is (and I have never heard it taught from ANY Muslim scholar ever in my life) is a Shi’a thing. And I’m Sunni. You can look that up if you missed it. AgnosTheist advised posters to stop accusing me of it based on that alone. So please, stop.

I don’t recall ever saying that “Islam is violent.” Please bring proof if I said that. However, I will say that Islam does ALLOW violence to be used in some very special and restricted cases. It’s not a general rule. A general rule in Islam is “No harm, and no reciprocal harm.” Violence is indeed a weighty thing, an enormity–but some things are worse. I offered an example–fighting the Nazis for their oppression of the Jews. I would hope that should some dictator rise up today and similarly persecute any group of people for any such reason, that the entire world would condemn it in the strongest terms and fight it. BUt it IS happening. It is happening in Israel and it is happening in Chechnya and it is happening in the Sudan. It happened in the Balkans and it happens all over Africa. Islam prohibits injustice and oppression. Violence is ONLY ever allowed as a means to eliminate injustice and oppression.

I have never once mocked God, Jesus, Mary, the Bible, the Pope, or any Catholic doctrine once, not even once, in my stay here. You don’t have to defend against anything, nor do you need to attack Islam. It makes your own faith look very weak, that instead of relying on it and demonstrating it, you are trying to tear my own down.

I hope this is the last post I have to direct at you in particular.
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I just want everyone to know what islam is too. This is why I posted the truth about mohammed, islam and allah. They will never hear it from you or another muslim. Why do you consider the truth to be mocking? Such a shame you and other muslims don’t know your own history of islam. Or chose not to know it. But, I would suspect it will never be taught.

As for the violence - they are indeed a-ok with it if it is not directed at other muslims. But, recently we have seen that it is ok if directed at other muslims. They just say that it is ok the muslims will go to heaven anyway.

And if you are a sunni then it is called kithman. Don’t tell a lie, it even has a foundation for it in the koran.

jihadwatch.org/archives/017491.php

It is in the koran 3:28, The family of imran.

And once again you practice, kithman, in saying that ‘islam prohibits injustice’. You sort of forget to mention the fact that if it is against infidels - it is ok. Just as long as a muslim doesn’t ‘shirk’ then anything done to an infidel is ok. Or else so many of the masses of ‘moderates’ would be out there demonstrating against the ones causing the violence, the muslims. But, nothing is heard from them. Instead we get the 2 weeks of riots in Denmark over cartoons. And when it all started we got the wrecking of our churches, the killing of an aged nun, and the death of others around the globe. And not a peep out of any “NOTABLE” muslims - just a few afraid for their own skins or telling us what we want to hear.
 
dolphinlove said:
If its illegal, why is it allowed? bit of a contradiction isnt it?
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It is illegal for muslims even in our country that is why the likes of so many have to have 24 hour guards or they are ‘dead men/women walking’.

What she is trying to do is confuse the whole thing. It is illegal to kill in our countries - but it is ok under sharia law. This question wouldn’t even be coming up if we were in a country under sharia law. So, she is telling us what we want to hear while we are under our laws.

Here is the glitch - many muslims are living in areas and grouping together and they do indeed practice sharia law in our country - under the radar so to speak.

And if us non-muslims don’t move out fast enough so they can group together - the violence against us begins. Dearborn is a good example of that. It is a gang type of thing - it is common in some gang infested areas around this country. And what is experienced is a mass movement of people out of an area while the gangs move in - same concept.

One day there will be no where to run.
 
I found this article about how the koran lied about Mary and Jesus’ birth. It figures because mohammed was an illiterate pagan who did not know the Bible who might have heard the stories but didn’t remember them or changed them according to his needs.

faithfreedom.org/Articles/MohammadAsghar50418.htm

His goal was to incorporate the Bible stories into his new ‘religion’ in order to win over converts from the Jews and Christians of his time. Well, they didn’t ‘bite’ and instead made fun of him. That is why he started murdering them until he figured out that murdering them was good, but also subjugating them was good too. And hence, dhimmitude (subjugation), was started. Oh yeah, he thought up some surahs and said that allah told him to do it.
 
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