Mary Never Truly Died

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Dormition, meaning gone to sleep, is a fancy word for, well, sleeping.
Jesus said his friend Lazarus was sleeping [in death]. Paul referred to disciples “some of whom have fallen asleep [in death]”. Ps 13:3 likewise.
Therefore a non-Catholic Bible reader is entitled to read “dormition” as “dead”. Any other interpretation will be more complex.
There’s a reason why we use the phrase “the simple truth”.
 
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Mary can be called Jerusalem since she was a dwelling of God. (Psalm 132:13 the Psalm number might be different in different Bibles.)
 
tafan2 said:
The Wikipedia article says the Eastern Churches teaches that Mary died. I am by no means an expert on the teaching of the Eastern Churches, but I thought the Dormition was taught to be something different than death.
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The Eastern tradition is unambiguous in this matter. Dormition is simply a euphemism for death. It was used by Saint Paul to describe death and it is used by Eastern Christians today. ( we often hear that so-and-so so “fell asleep in the Lord”.
 
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Francis. Relax, take a deep breath. No one is suggesting that Mary is being referenced by Jeremiah. That cannot be, if only because she was not yet born in Jeremiah’s day.
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Here is your own reply below ,which your contradicting now
dougp said:
Scripture: A false goddess worshiped by apostate Jews, just before Yahweh dropped the hammer on 'em. See Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-19,25, which have the phrase literally. No need for “interpretation”.
That was quick. Before we continue, do you disagree with any of them?
  • You didn’t need citations; I trust you.
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The most sensible answer I got was from zmysticat. Please see my reply to him/her when I post it.
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So it seems ,than why are you suggesting such things
 
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tafan2 said:
This would be how we all would have been if we had not fallen. Since Mary did not have concupiscence, which is one effect of original sin, I do not think she died, which is also an effect of original sin. But I could be wrong.
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She wanted to imitate Jesus in every way also in death so the the merits of Christ will be although more given to her children .As she was free from original sin ,she died and woke up heaven ,on this occasion.Jesus him self has descended to take her body and soul revealed to many saints through the centuries, She died not because of original sin but because of the Love of God and to be united with Him in Heaven.

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Interesting post

also in her Assumption

**[966] "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509

. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

[967] By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” ( typus )510 of the Church.
 
C.E. is used for Common Era. As noted, it’s used especially by writers who want to avoid bringing religious notation into their wrtings.
Works for me; neutral territory.

Bunny rabbit?
 
First, my statement stands as written. That statement was based on citations of death being likened to sleep by inspired writers of God’s word and by Jesus himself. There are others. In tje NJB.

Second, it has been my experience that a Catholic reader will be confused- as we see in this very thread- by the terms used by his Church.

Read the original Bull. Does the Pope say she died? Didn’t die? If she ‘slept’ does he mean that in another way but the Bible’s- and Jesus’- way? If so, does he explain the difference?
 
But those aren’t the same as corporal relics. The story is that the apostles were gathered together mourning her death. Thomas who was, surprise , late again, arrived 3 days later in time to see her assumed and she left behind her girdle .
 
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dougp said:
C.E. is used for Common Era. As noted, it’s used especially by writers who want to avoid bringing religious notation into their wrtings.
Works for me; neutral territory.

Bunny rabbit?
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Yeah…kinda like xmas. :roll_eyes:
 
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