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Remember the sad news that an infamous Maryknoll priest, Fr. Roy Bourgeois, attended a fake ordination of a wymynpryst?

There have been some consequences, apparently.

Priest to meet Maryknoll leaders over role in Womenpriests’ ceremony

By Dennis Sadowski
Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS)—Maryknoll Father Roy Bourgeois will meet Aug. 18 with the three members of his order’s General Council to discuss his participation in a recent ceremony sponsored by Roman Catholic Womenpriests.

The Aug. 9 ceremony involved what Roman Catholic Womenpriests considers the ordination of Janice Sevre-Duszynska to the priesthood.

The organization, which is not recognized by the church, has sponsored numerous ceremonies since 2002 involving reported [fake] ordinations of women deacons, priests and bishops. These ceremonies have led to the excommunications of all involved because women cannot be ordained Catholic priests.

Father Bourgeois, an internationally known peace and justice advocate, confirmed he will meet with Maryknoll’s general superior, Father John Sivalon, and the two other members of the order’s council.

The priest told Catholic News Service from his Columbus, Ga., home Aug. 14 that his participation in the ceremony at a Unitarian Universalist church in Lexington, Ky., **followed a period of reflection **[apparently not long enough] after he received an invitation from Sevre-Duszynska, a longtime friend.

“In conscience I felt I had to be there,” he said.

“I see (my participation) connected in a real way in my work for justice in Latin America, speaking out against the war in Iraq and connected to the injustice in my church here at home,” [HUH?] added Father Bourgeois, who is best known for his 19-year effort to close a U.S. Army school at Fort Benning, Ga., that trains soldiers from throughout Latin America.

Who are we as men to say to Janice and these other women that we are called but not you?” **[That’s why we, as men, don’t make these decisions as individuals apart from Holy Church!] **asked the priest. "This is a big issue for me. I feel we are tampering with the sacred, that we are in a way overwriting God’s call. Who are we to say that our call as men is valid, your call as women is not valid?

"I’ve come to the realization that women could be ordained in our Catholic Church," he said. … apply medicinal censures at this point…]

He acknowledged that he has placed his 36-year ministry as a priest in jeopardy by participating in the ceremony. At the same time, he expressed hope that the council will continue to support him once his views are discussed. *[Yah… right. Because the General Council is going to say, "You know, Father, you’re right! Women should be ordained, darn it! We’re gonna support you now that we’ve talked about it."]

“I don’t want to leave (the order),” he said. “But I do believe in this issue enough that I cannot be silent.” [Don’t let the door… etc. etc.]

Father Bourgeois, 69, said that during the event he concelebrated the liturgy and delivered the homily. He also said he laid hands on Sevre-Duszynska, 58, during what traditionally would be the rite of ordination.

Betsey Guest, community outreach coordinator for the Maryknoll order, which has its headquarters in Maryknoll, N.Y., said the members of the order’s General Council learned of Father Bourgeois’ participation in the ceremony through media reports.

“They were not consulted prior to his participation, nor would they have condoned it,” she said.

Reports that Cardinal Edward M. Egan of New York intervened in asking the order to meet with Father Bourgeois were erroneous, she said.

“It was the General Council that has asked him to come back as one of their brother priests to understand from him the facts behind his thinking,” Guest said.

Meanwhile, Sevre-Duszynska said she and other members of Roman Catholic Womenpriests have been seeking statements of support for her Maryknoll friend from across the country.

“This is a crucial issue for the church,” she said. “This is an issue that could lead the church forward.” [Delusional.]

Full entry…
 
Bourgeois said in the interview that his superiors warned him not to participate in similar events in the future. He said he had no plans to attend another ordination, nor did he have an invitation to do so.
Bourgeois said he knows that the Vatican could come down with a more severe penalty. And if Vatican authorities should say he’s excommunicated? “I would be very very sad. I’ve been a Maryknoll priest for 36 years. But if Rome came down with the ax? I’d have to embrace it,” he said.
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Having no plans and having received no invitations is not enough. He should have to recant his support and affirm without any reservations the teachings of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.
 
Another example of how the war in Iraq has driven many on the left absolutely batty. How he relates the Iraq war with ordaining female priests is beyond me. But then you see it all over CAF also. You never know what thread is going to be hijacked by antiwar diatribe. I was recently in a thread on women’s volleyball that was suddenly interrupted by a rant about Bush trying to push immoral Western values on Iraqis. Go figure.
 
What kind of seminary education did this man get?. Does he not know that Rome has spoken on this issue?. Does he not know that the Holy Spirit is with the pope and the magisterium and not with these delusional women or him?

The harm that can come from these women cannot be measured as they would impact the lives and souls of others. About one year ago, I had my wife in an E.R. of a local hospital from a fall wherein she had a fractured vertebra. When asked if we would like to see a priest, we said yes, thinking of the sacrament of the sick. In comes this woman wearing a black suit and a Roman collar. I asked whom she might be and she responded that we had asked for a priest and she was answering that call. I bluntly told her that I was a Catholic deacon but that she was no priest and to politely remove herself from the room. The doctors and nurses were surprised by my response. I told them that according to Church teaching, women cannot be priests and that any woman who “receives” (a misnomer") Holy Orders does not become a priest, but rather incurs excommunication. I then spoke to the director of Chaplains for that hospital. Can you believe they did not know that this woman was not a priest.

Think of the ramifications of acts such as this where people do not know any better. We are talking the eternal disposition of someone’s soul. I understand that she was “dismissed” after that.

Pray for people like this. The harm they can do is untold.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
What kind of seminary education did this man get?. Does he not know that Rome has spoken on this issue?. Does he not know that the Holy Spirit is with the pope and the magisterium and not with these delusional women or him?

The harm that can come from these women cannot be measured as they would impact the lives and souls of others. About one year ago, I had my wife in an E.R. of a local hospital from a fall wherein she had a fractured vertebra. When asked if we would like to see a priest, we said yes, thinking of the sacrament of the sick. In comes this woman wearing a black suit and a Roman collar. I asked whom she might be and she responded that we had asked for a priest and she was answering that call. I bluntly told her that I was a Catholic deacon but that she was no priest and to politely remove herself from the room. The doctors and nurses were surprised by my response. I told them that according to Church teaching, women cannot be priests and that any woman who “receives” (a misnomer") Holy Orders does not become a priest, but rather incurs excommunication. I then spoke to the director of Chaplains for that hospital. Can you believe they did not know that this woman was not a priest.

Think of the ramifications of acts such as this where people do not know any better. We are talking the eternal disposition of someone’s soul. I understand that she was “dismissed” after that.

Pray for people like this. The harm they can do is untold.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
Holy Schmoly!! This is really scary!! This hospital did not know that women were not verifiably priests?! I am so glad you were there to shed a little light on the situation…however, can you imagine that this might be happening elsewhere in the country? Very scary.
 
Holy Schmoly!! This is really scary!! This hospital did not know that women were not verifiably priests?! I am so glad you were there to shed a little light on the situation…however, can you imagine that this might be happening elsewhere in the country? Very scary.
YES, it is indeed scary to think of the harm that can be done with those who are marginal and uninformed.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
I’m a little curious, why did you type it “wymynpryst”? Is it like not allowed to type the actual words in the forum?
 
I’m a little curious, why did you type it “wymynpryst”? Is it like not allowed to type the actual words in the forum?
What post are you referring to wherein this is contained
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
What post are you referring to wherein this is contained
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
The title and first post, which I believe once said womanpriest, now says wymynpriest

and also, are Deacon’s allowed to give the Sacramen of the Sick? I have always been iffy on the cans and cannots of the Diaconate
 
No, a deacon cannot give the sacrament of the sick as it carries forgiveness of sin as part of the sacrament. Forgiveness of sins is a power uniquely belonging to a priest and above.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
The title and first post, which I believe once said womanpriest, now says wymynpriest
This was included in the original Father Z. blog article. It’s a reference to the fact that radical feminists sometimes change the spelling of “woman” so that the word “man” is not included, since that would be sexist… :rolleyes:
 
This was included in the original Father Z. blog article. It’s a reference to the fact that radical feminists sometimes change the spelling of “woman” so that the word “man” is not included, since that would be sexist… :rolleyes:
Oh Brother!::eek: : or should I say Oh Sister!:rolleyes:
 
When asked if we would like to see a priest, we said yes, thinking of the sacrament of the sick. In comes this woman wearing a black suit and a Roman collar. I asked whom she might be and she responded that we had asked for a priest and she was answering that call. I bluntly told her that I was a Catholic deacon but that she was no priest and to politely remove herself from the room. The doctors and nurses were surprised by my response.
I’m a bit confused on this one - was the woman pretending to be a CATHOLIC priest, or was she in fact, a perfectly validly ordained priest of another denomination? You didn’t say you asked for a catholic priest, so perhaps they got the hospital chaplain on duty at the time, who was, maybe, Anglican, or whatever, as you had not specified a ‘‘catholic’’ priest, just a ‘‘priest’’? Other branches of Christianity do have ordained women, I know, I’ve seen them 😃 and these women are perfectly validly ordained too according to their rite 👍

As for your response to her - well done - bet she thinks very highly of catholic deacons now 😃 👍
 
I’m a bit confused on this one - was the woman pretending to be a CATHOLIC priest, or was she in fact, a perfectly validly ordained priest of another denomination? You didn’t say you asked for a catholic priest, so perhaps they got the hospital chaplain on duty at the time, who was, maybe, Anglican, or whatever, as you had not specified a ‘‘catholic’’ priest, just a ‘‘priest’’? Other branches of Christianity do have ordained women, I know, I’ve seen them 😃 and these women are perfectly validly ordained too according to their rite 👍

As for your response to her - well done - bet she thinks very highly of catholic deacons now 😃 👍
I’m curious about that myself. If she was an ordained minister of another denomination then I would have to agree that the Deacon was rather rude
 
I’m a bit confused on this one - was the woman pretending to be a CATHOLIC priest, or was she in fact, a perfectly validly ordained priest of another denomination? You didn’t say you asked for a catholic priest, so perhaps they got the hospital chaplain on duty at the time, who was, maybe, Anglican, or whatever, as you had not specified a ‘‘catholic’’ priest, just a ‘‘priest’’? Other branches of Christianity do have ordained women, I know, I’ve seen them 😃 and these women are perfectly validly ordained too according to their rite 👍

As for your response to her - well done - bet she thinks very highly of catholic deacons now 😃 👍
No other denomination can have a validly ordained female priest! Besides Catholics only our eastern brothers can have a validly ordained priest, and they cannot ordain women.
 
I’m a bit confused on this one - was the woman pretending to be a CATHOLIC priest, or was she in fact, a perfectly validly ordained priest of another denomination? You didn’t say you asked for a catholic priest, so perhaps they got the hospital chaplain on duty at the time, who was, maybe, Anglican, or whatever, as you had not specified a ‘‘catholic’’ priest, just a ‘‘priest’’? Other branches of Christianity do have ordained women, I know, I’ve seen them 😃 and these women are perfectly validly ordained too according to their rite 👍

As for your response to her - well done - bet she thinks very highly of catholic deacons now 😃 👍
We asked for a Catholic priest. In response to your comment of a “validly ordained priest” of another denomination., there is no such thing as a validly ordained woman priest. . Holy Orders are for men only. This is what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, this is what I believe. Sorry if it offends you. But when dealing with matters of the spirit, there is no room for messing around.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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