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bquinnan
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Is anyone particularly familiar with Maryknoll? Is it a good charity?
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DominvsVobiscvm
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My understanding is that they’ve become extremely Modernist. Any book published by them is bound to be heretical.
Don’t waste your time.
Just my humble opinion.
Don’t waste your time.
Just my humble opinion.
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Marie
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I have also heard that, but like many of the orders, it is not across the board. Priests of the sacred Heart…the Jesuits, etc. They all have some bad apples and some extrmely good ones too.
The Fransican have their liberals, the Dominicans too. You just have to sort them out. It isn’t easy but we cannot trash them all for the ones who are disobedient. Thats like throwing out the baby with the dirty bath water.
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DominvsVobiscvm
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Yeah, but some orders, like the Jesuits and the Maryknolls are saturated with Modernists; others just have some bad apples.
Further, sometimes it depends on the particular Province.
Take Benedictines, for example. The word “Benedictine” will tell you nothing of a monastery or Abbey’s orthodoxy. This is because there really is no “Benedictine Order.” There is a Benedictine Federation of independent Congregations. The Abbot Primate of the “Benedictine Order” is a figurehead and nothing more.
The Congregation of Solesmes is an example of an orthodox Benedictine congregation. There are others that are overwhelmingly heretical, even if some good apples can be found from time to time.
It’s one of those things that you learn through experience. I’m only 19 years old, but because of my own, albeit very limited, experience life, I’ve learned a couple of things about the different orders, and so I go by the words of those more experienced than I on these things.
I would certainly not support Maryknoll, with so many other good Catholic charities to choose from (like Blessed Theresa of Calcutta’s Missionaries of Charity).
Further, sometimes it depends on the particular Province.
Take Benedictines, for example. The word “Benedictine” will tell you nothing of a monastery or Abbey’s orthodoxy. This is because there really is no “Benedictine Order.” There is a Benedictine Federation of independent Congregations. The Abbot Primate of the “Benedictine Order” is a figurehead and nothing more.
The Congregation of Solesmes is an example of an orthodox Benedictine congregation. There are others that are overwhelmingly heretical, even if some good apples can be found from time to time.
It’s one of those things that you learn through experience. I’m only 19 years old, but because of my own, albeit very limited, experience life, I’ve learned a couple of things about the different orders, and so I go by the words of those more experienced than I on these things.
I would certainly not support Maryknoll, with so many other good Catholic charities to choose from (like Blessed Theresa of Calcutta’s Missionaries of Charity).
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bquinnan
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Ah – that was my next question. If not Maryknoll, what charitable Catholic organizations are worth supporting? Do you have other suggestions – not that there’s anything wrong with your first?
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DominvsVobiscvm
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Honestly, I don’t know specifically of other good Catholic charitable endeavors. Many Catholic charities and missionaries are concerned with good works only, and not the salvation of souls.
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Polly_Anna
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My favorite Catholic Apostolate that I support, because I never, never want them to have to close shop is Catholic Answers.
My favorite religious order is the Legion of Christ. Check them out. Vocations are booming!
legionofchrist.org/eng/general/about.htm
My favorite religious order is the Legion of Christ. Check them out. Vocations are booming!
legionofchrist.org/eng/general/about.htm
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Marie
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Not quite true DV. Mother Theresa was mainly about good works - caring for the poor and the suffering, and the souls her order saves must be astronomical. The same goes for all the other ones. No order is set up just to do good works. They all lead to an apostolate of saving souls or they would not do good works which flow from God anyway.
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DominvsVobiscvm
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Ideally, what you write would be the case, as with the Missionaries of Charity.
There are many orders that have become thoroughly Modernist, however, and no longer believe that souls need to convert to the true Church. They see their jobs as mainly humnitarian. A good example is Catholic Charities, or even the Cambodian Missionaries, whose founder was recently canonized (he, of course, was orthodox).
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stephenthomas
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Canadian Food for Children
40 King George St.
Toronto, ON
(416) 231-2817
fax: (416) 231-6205
NB, not food for canadian children. it’s a canadian charity. Dr. Simone and his wife are excellent catholic people who started this charity. almost no overhead costs, so you know that all your cash is going to the people who really need it. it’s bona fide, and you can get info and letters of recommendation, and the all- important income tax receipt. Dr. Simone escorts the food, clothing, money, etc and gives it directly to the bishop of wherever he’s donating. So you directly help the poor catholics of the world. and you don’t have to worry about maintaining the life-support systems of dying religious orders, that really need to die.
40 King George St.
Toronto, ON
(416) 231-2817
fax: (416) 231-6205
NB, not food for canadian children. it’s a canadian charity. Dr. Simone and his wife are excellent catholic people who started this charity. almost no overhead costs, so you know that all your cash is going to the people who really need it. it’s bona fide, and you can get info and letters of recommendation, and the all- important income tax receipt. Dr. Simone escorts the food, clothing, money, etc and gives it directly to the bishop of wherever he’s donating. So you directly help the poor catholics of the world. and you don’t have to worry about maintaining the life-support systems of dying religious orders, that really need to die.
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Irish_Melkite
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DV,
I suggest you read up on heresy before blithely throwing the term around as a label which you are so ready to attach to religious orders such as the Jesuits and the Maryknolls, both of which have given many martyrs to the Church.
And since when did Maryknoll becomeknown as a publisher?
Many years,
Neil
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Irish_Melkite
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DV,
Catholic Charities is not an order, it is a social service agency - its mission is intended to be principally humanitarian. If it brings souls to the Church, it is through example, not prosyletism.
And who are the “Cambodian Missionaries” and who was their recently canonized founder? I can’t even find a reference to a patron saint designated for Khmer.
Many years,
Neil
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Irish_Melkite
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DV,
I think it’s time to read your own words. The sentence I highlighted makes little sense - it seems to be trying to say that you have very limited experience and thus rely primarily on the words of others. Yet, you put forth statements with absolute certitude, using words that disparage the theological correctness of persons in holy orders or who have consecrated their lives to God’s work - as if you know these things to be absolutely true, from your own experience.
I don’t mean to put you down because of your age nor do I wish to stifle your enthusiasm. I have 3 children who range from 3 years to 9 years older than you and I respect their beliefs, their emotions, and their opinions. One of the things that I have taught them is to only be an absolutist when you know of which you speak and can defend its veracity; the alternative is to appear arrogant, impetuous, un- or mis-informed, or all of the foregoing.
Quite frankly, you owe an apology to the Maryknolls, the Jesuits, the Benedictines, and Catholic Charities, at the very least. I don’t recollect seeing the bull designating you as the local authority empowered to sniff out and proclaim heresy.
Many years,
Neil
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knoller_49
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DV: Maryknoll is a truly American order; their work, mainly in catholic education, is outside the continental U.S. I and my 5 siblings were educated by them, 4 of us went on to college. Their work in China and So. America that I personally know of is commendable and unselfishly performed. I don’t understand where you come from with this modernist crud. If you feel that they are not deserving of your generous donation, no name calling is necessary. Fr. Richard Ho Lung (forner Jesuit) in Jamaica has an interesting background and if you will read up on his untiring work with the poor and the dying, I’m sure your donations would be very welcome.
EWTN and our local catholic radio stations are also doing a tremendous job. They can ALWAYS use your $$$.
EWTN and our local catholic radio stations are also doing a tremendous job. They can ALWAYS use your $$$.
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arnulf
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I agree - let’s not be too hard on Maryknoll. In addition to their fine work in Asia and Latin America, they evangelize among the poorest of the poor African countries, often under persecution, and sometimes among the most ignorant savages on earth.
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swampfox
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I’d recommend EWTN, given its reach and positive influence and promotion of orthodox belief and practice, especially during these times of public dissent and destructive influences within and without the Church
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swampfox
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Irish Melkite:
As for the Jesuits and Maryknolls, sure there are good and bad, but you can’t deny that they have more than their fair share of unorthodox priests with a nontraditional agenda. Can you say Berrigan brothers and liberation theology? Catholic Charities is a social welfare agency that doesn’t promote Catholicism. You might as well give to the government in the form of higher taxes.
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EsclavoDeCristo
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First off, I would recommend helping the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal franciscanfriars.com started by Fr. Benedict Groschel.:dancing:
As far as Maryknolls are concerned, I can only speak of the 4 months I spent at their language institute in Cochabamba, Bolivia. I would not consider them to be religious. I think the word political fits better. When I was there, there were always lectures on Fridays about this or that political topic that affects the poor in Latin America. They were always left leaning, almost Marxist in their tone.
I am not a theologian, but things that were done during the daily Mass there seem odd to me and made it an awkward experience. During the liturgy of the Eucharist, everyone gathered in a circle around the altar in the sanctuary of the chapel. Everyone communicated his/herself by taking a Host out of the communion plate that was passed around the circle. Then, everyone consumed the Host at the same time with the priest. The same was done with the cup. I do not receive the Eucharist in my hand. I receive on my tongue, which made this that much more awkward for me. The priest was kind enough to accommodate me when asked and he communicated me on the tongue after everyone else had his or her “self-service”. Also, it was awkward being the only kneeling during the consecration. Eventually, I was unable to bring myself to attend daily Mass there. I had a friend tell me that at a Mass he attended there, a religious sister read part of the Eucharistic prayer.:bigyikes:
When I scheduled a time for confession (there were no regular confession hours), the priest regularly told me that I was being too hard on myself and that my sins “weren’t that bad”. I almost felt guilty for going to confession. :tsktsk:
Spirituality was not encouraged; at least orthodox spirituality was not encouraged. If anything, it was mocked and discouraged. :whacky:
I never saw a Maryknoll in any type of religious garb.
Most of the students there are preparing for mission work in Latin American countries. I usually tried to avoid politics and religion completely with the majority of them. However, on one occasion I was drug into a debate on abortion. I ended up being the only one against its legalization. :banghead:
All in all it was a very disheartening experience spiritually. However, though prayer and the prayer of my friends/family, I made it out with a stronger will and faith.:bowdown:
We all need to remember these missionaries, both lay and religious, in our prayers!
As far as Maryknolls are concerned, I can only speak of the 4 months I spent at their language institute in Cochabamba, Bolivia. I would not consider them to be religious. I think the word political fits better. When I was there, there were always lectures on Fridays about this or that political topic that affects the poor in Latin America. They were always left leaning, almost Marxist in their tone.
I am not a theologian, but things that were done during the daily Mass there seem odd to me and made it an awkward experience. During the liturgy of the Eucharist, everyone gathered in a circle around the altar in the sanctuary of the chapel. Everyone communicated his/herself by taking a Host out of the communion plate that was passed around the circle. Then, everyone consumed the Host at the same time with the priest. The same was done with the cup. I do not receive the Eucharist in my hand. I receive on my tongue, which made this that much more awkward for me. The priest was kind enough to accommodate me when asked and he communicated me on the tongue after everyone else had his or her “self-service”. Also, it was awkward being the only kneeling during the consecration. Eventually, I was unable to bring myself to attend daily Mass there. I had a friend tell me that at a Mass he attended there, a religious sister read part of the Eucharistic prayer.:bigyikes:
When I scheduled a time for confession (there were no regular confession hours), the priest regularly told me that I was being too hard on myself and that my sins “weren’t that bad”. I almost felt guilty for going to confession. :tsktsk:
Spirituality was not encouraged; at least orthodox spirituality was not encouraged. If anything, it was mocked and discouraged. :whacky:
I never saw a Maryknoll in any type of religious garb.
Most of the students there are preparing for mission work in Latin American countries. I usually tried to avoid politics and religion completely with the majority of them. However, on one occasion I was drug into a debate on abortion. I ended up being the only one against its legalization. :banghead:
All in all it was a very disheartening experience spiritually. However, though prayer and the prayer of my friends/family, I made it out with a stronger will and faith.:bowdown:
We all need to remember these missionaries, both lay and religious, in our prayers!
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Ourladyguadalup
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:ehh: …huh? Note to arnulf: This is the year 2004. Wake up! You’ve been asleep for 200 years!
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RomanRyan1088
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Yes, i am, when my grandmother died, my mother went into a little depression and kinda hated God. She wrote to the priest there, and they wrote her a personal letter,( i have never seen this letter), and she gives them money everytime she can. I am happy to report my mom is now a practicing Catholic again.
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