Mary's Assumption and Her Glorified Body

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Hey everyone. When Mary was assumed into Heaven, her body and soul were reunited so that means that she has the same body she had while on earth, right? If that’s the case, then how did she get a new and glorified body? Did she get a new and glorified body when she was assumed into Heaven before everyone else who will get a new and glorified body at the resurrection of the body?
 
Hey everyone. When Mary was assumed into Heaven, her body and soul were reunited so that means that she has the same body she had while on earth, right? If that’s the case, then how did she get a new and glorified body? Did she get a new and glorified body when she was assumed into Heaven before everyone else who will get a new and glorified body at the resurrection of the body?
She was raised from the dead, by her Son, the Resurrection and the Life, in a glorified body and then Assumed into Heaven. The resurrection of Mary is implied in the doctrine of the Assumption. That is why we believe Mary died first, so that she could be raised from the dead to glory.

Others may try to make a case for Mary being assumed and glorified all in one operation, sidestepping death, but this is not how the resurrection of the body works according to the the Bible, the Catholic Creed, and Church teaching. IOW, they are making up new and novel doctrines.
 
She got her glorified body. Jesus Christ resurrected his body that was in the tomb. It is exactly the same.
 
It is stated that at the moment of her death she was assumed. It is not known if she died or not. I don’t recall reading that she was raised from the dead. I think at times we insert things that are our opinion and not fact.
 
It is stated that at the moment of her death she was assumed. It is not known if she died or not. I don’t recall reading that she was raised from the dead. I think at times we insert things that are our opinion and not fact.
Here we go again… :rolleyes:
 
She was raised from the dead, by her Son, the Resurrection and the Life, in a glorified body and then Assumed into Heaven. The resurrection of Mary is implied in the doctrine of the Assumption. That is why we believe Mary died first, so that she could be raised from the dead to glory.

Others may try to make a case for Mary being assumed and glorified all in one operation, sidestepping death, but this is not how the resurrection of the body works according to the the Bible, the Catholic Creed, and Church teaching. IOW, they are making up new and novel doctrines.
Very well put, AmbroseSJ!
 
Here we go again… :rolleyes:
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4…Yet, according to the general rule, God does not will to grant to the just the full effect of the victory over death until the end of time has come. And so it is that the bodies of even the just are corrupted after death, and only on the last day will they be joined, each to its own glorious soul.
  1. Now God has willed that the Blessed Virgin Mary should be exempted from this general rule. She, by an entirely unique privilege, completely overcame sin by her Immaculate Conception, and as a result she was not subject to the law of remaining in the corruption of the grave, and she did not have to wait until the end of time for the redemption of her body.
 
It is stated that at the moment of her death she was assumed. It is not known if she died or not. I don’t recall reading that she was raised from the dead. I think at times we insert things that are our opinion and not fact.
I thought tradition states that the apostles minus Thomas were present at her death (Thomas was in India), but Thomas was present at the assumption. This would mean that it wasn’t instantanious, that she died and was later assumed.
 
It is stated that at the moment of her death she was assumed. It is not known if she died or not.
Wait - “it” (?) stated that she was assumed at the moment of her death, but it’s not known whether or not she died? :confused::hypno::confused:
 
I really don’t want a debate going on in this thread as to exactly when she was assumed. It doesn’t matter to me whether she was assumed at the moment of her death or sometime after her death. I am not sure what the Church officially teaches on this but I think that we as Catholics are allowed to differ in our opinions on that. If not, I’d appreciate it if someone would let me know what the Church’s official teaching is and please back it up with official Church documents such as the Catechism.

Basically I guess I am trying to figure out if she was born with a glorified body or if she got a new and glorified body when she was assumed into Heaven.
 
I noticed that nobody has addressed my concern yet. Was Mary given a glorified body at the moment of her conception or once she was assumed into Heaven?
 
I really don’t want a debate going on in this thread as to exactly when she was assumed. It doesn’t matter to me whether she was assumed at the moment of her death or sometime after her death. I am not sure what the Church officially teaches on this but I think that we as Catholics are allowed to differ in our opinions on that. If not, I’d appreciate it if someone would let me know what the Church’s official teaching is and please back it up with official Church documents such as the Catechism.

Basically I guess I am trying to figure out if she was born with a glorified body or if she got a new and glorified body when she was assumed into Heaven.
Post #9 gives you the answer and the Church document.
 
She wasn’t born with a glorified body. Nobody is.

As for whether she died of not, as thistle pointed, the said Church document mentioned several times that she did die. Plus TRADITION dating back to at least the 4th century.
 
I noticed that nobody has addressed my concern yet. Was Mary given a glorified body at the moment of her conception or once she was assumed into Heaven?
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(1) The Virgin died.
(2) The Virgin was not born with a glorified body.
  • to even suggest this suggests you may not understand Catholic teaching on what a glorified body is.
(3) When, after death, was her incorrupt body glorified?
  • was it before, during or at the top of her ascending? Concurrent?
  • does glorification imply “animation” (i.e. no longer asleep in incorrupt death)?
  • did the Virgin ascend reclining (i.e. incorrupt death) or erect (i.e. animated like Jesus)?
  • at what point would we say she has risen from the dead in any of the above scenarios?
  • I am not sure but others may be able to tell us.
 
(3) When, after death, was her incorrupt body glorified?
  • was it before, during or at the top of her ascending? Concurrent?
  • does glorification imply “animation” (i.e. no longer asleep in incorrupt death)?
  • did the Virgin ascend reclining (i.e. incorrupt death) or erect (i.e. animated like Jesus)?
  • at what point would we say she has risen from the dead in any of the above scenarios?
  • I am not sure but others may be able to tell us.
A dead body cannot ascend. As tradition points out, she was resurrected then immediately assumed.
 
A dead body cannot ascend. As tradition points out, she was resurrected then immediately assumed.
CT
"A dead body cannot ascend."
Hmmmn, I see no logical or theological reason why Mary’s incorrupt dead body cannot ascend (be lifted to heaven). Indeed, this is exactly what much early theology and iconography reasonably seems to declare. There even seems to be an ancient title for this very aspect of the Dormition/Asumption of Mary known as “The Translation of the Blessed Virgin.”

The word “translation”, in a religious context, means to move sacred, mortal remains from one place to another in solemn ceremony. Hence the “relics” are Mary’s dead, incorrupt body (a glorified/resurrected one would obviously not qualify), the “translation” is from earth to heaven (sounds like an ascension to me) and the ritual procession was carried out, in iconography, by four angels with the Seven Choirs of Angels as the processional audience. Wonderful stuff. But maybe I misunderstand “The Translation of the Virigin.”

So where do you get the basis for, not only your reversal of this, but a positive denail of its possibility?

**Mary was resurrected then immediately assumed. **
I do not believe Catholic tradition clearly or definitively “points out” any such thing.

In fact, as above, I would go so far as to say that it could equally be said that Mary’s incorrupt dead body was “translated” heavenwards and then immediately raised to life (you call this “resurrected”). Exactly the reverse of what you opine.

Personally, however, I believe both views are mis-leading.
That is because I hold they are one and the same event. They are co-terminus…this view best accomodates the varied traditions received. That is why it has its own unique word/title, “The Assumption.”
 
CT
"A dead body cannot ascend."
Hmmmn, I see no logical or theological reason why Mary’s incorrupt dead body cannot ascend (be lifted to heaven). Indeed, this is exactly what much early theology and iconography reasonably seems to declare. There even seems to be an ancient title for this very aspect of the Dormition/Asumption of Mary known as “The Translation of the Blessed Virgin.”
None that I have ever seen. This is a typical iconic depiction, focusing on the Dormition:

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Western art typically depicts an “animated” Mary assumed in glory:

http://www.oceansbridge.com/paintin...ig/assumption_of_mary_XX_del_prado_madrid.jpg

Likewise, the less common icons of the Assumption also depict an “animated” Mary:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/images/icons/maria.jpg
 
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