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TinaG
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Hi!(* “…righteous Joshua and the bulk of balking bozos…” , LOL)
That makes some sense to me in a couple of ways :
But the whole gyst of the Immaculate Conception is being set apart, preserved, (“saved” if you like) from what all the bulk of us balking bozos inherit, essentially.
- In the first sense, conversely. St. Alphonsus Liguori said in his book **The Glories of Mary ** , that God “…wanted Mary to be like Jesus in every way.” So we know that, on the Cross, Jesus had been condemned as a blasphemer.
- In the normal workings of divine law, your point makes perfect sense - St. Thomas Aquinas said mercy does not deny justice, mercy presupposes justice.
Father John Hardon, S.J. keeps the definition short ,sweet and clear in his Modern Catholic Dicitonary . Here’s the most pertinent first half :
“IMMACULATE CONCEPTION. Title of the Blessed Virgin as sinless from her first moment of existence. In the words of Pope Pius IX’s solemn definition, made in 1854, “The most holy Virgin Mary was, in the first moment of her conception, by a unique gift of grace and privilege of almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ the Redeemer of mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin.” This means that since the first moment of her human existence the mother of Jesus was preserved from the common defect of estrangement from God, which humanity in general inherits through the sin of Adam. Her freedom from sin was an unmerited gift of God or special grace, and an exception to the law, or privilege, which no other created person has received.”
It suggests to me that we have to think even further outside the box on this one. It isn’t so much something we as Catholics are required to try and prove. But as dogma, the Church proposes Mary’s Immaculate Conception as worthy of our belief, so as individuals, we try to give our “assent of faith.”
In your original post, you begin by saying ,
I think we agree . However, none of us are aware of the full magnitude of that statement… simply because we are speaking of God’s Mercy - which isn’t something a created mind is able to grasp in its entirety.
I refer to , our Blessed Lord Jesus’ words to St. Faustina as recorded in her diary :
“My mercy is so great that no mind, be it of man or of angel, will be able to fathom it throughout all eternity.”
So we all agree that God used His greatest asset - His Mercy, when He contemplated Mary . However, we don’t know (and never will) just how great that asset actually is. Neither can we presume exactly how he would have poured out this asset while making His own Mother… As Father John Corapi said : " Now, if you were able to make your own mother, wouldn’t you do a great job of it ?"
Great, great post. One of the best I have ever seen.
IF there was an immaculate conception - and going that far is a Big Step for me - it was preceded, logically, by Mary’s consignment to disobedience BEFORE she was shown mercy. Paul’s argument in Romans is that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ. Mary’s salvation was through Christ, therefore it must have been through faith. She takes on the righteousness of Christ as any believer does.
Or are Catholics arguing that Mary has some kind of special individual covenant with God outside the atoning work of Christ? I don’t think so.
-Tina “Not Much of a Theologian Anyway” G