Mask mouth': Dentists coin new term for smelly side effect of wearing a mask

[Zzyzx_Road]

So, you think the government has a responsibility to provide financial support to businesses harmed because the government has created new regulations for the safety of the community. That’s a bit of a socialist view, but it may be acceptable.

Yes. Very definitely yes. When a business fails on its own, that’s normal, it happens, that is the risk the business owner took and we should not help that business owner from the vagaries of the marketplace. But when a government forces a business to close “for the good of the public”, that constitutes a taking under the Fifth Amendment and should be compensated for. Think eminent domain as a well known area of property law that is closely related. Businesses should have been allowed to take their own measures in attempting to stay solvent in this environment and should not be considered evil for wanting to stay in business.

Look at history. We never shut down the healthy like this before in all recorded human history going back millennia. In the past, it was always the sick who were quarantined or otherwise separated, not the healthy. In the past, the healthy were always allowed to continue to attempt to make a living. This lockdown this year was a giant social experiment, the idea for which originated in 2006 by a pair of scientists who had no expertise in epidemiology.

In 1968, we did not lock down businesses and prevent the healthy from making a living. The same in 1957. Not even in 1918 did we lock down businesses and prevent the healthy from making a living, all that happened was that large gatherings were banned in many cities and the sick were separated from the healthy to be cared for in sanitariums.

In 1968 and 1957, the economy went down a little bit. In 1918, the economy went down a bit more. But nothing at all remotely close to what we did to ourselves this year. In other words, as big a problem as the coronavirus has been, government has clearly been the bigger problem.

 

[JonNC]

Not really…government using taxpayer funds to support a private business. Keeping marketplace forces from working.

Not supporting. Compensation for damages.
If I come into your store and damage property, I’m liable to pay compensation. That’s not supporting you.

Compensation is supporting.

If I’m supporting my teenage son, why do you consider that compensation?

 

[RidgeSprinter]

What I find ironic about the article is that dentists wear a mask most of the day, even before Covid-19.

Dentist spend more time hovering over a patient than not.

 

[JonNC]

Well, I am uncomfortable with a government supporting a private business,

Me too. I’m even more uncomfortable with government forcing businesses out of business.

especially one of questionable moral behavior.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying a drink. Nothing necessarily immoral about it.

Would you be okay with the government supporting a brothel in Nevada if the government forced it to close due to COVID?

Your continued misrepresentation of what I am suggesting actually damages your argument. If a brothel in Nevada is a legal business, Government damage time that business should be compensated. Restitution is appropriate. Make it illegal if you think it should be shut down. Do it by statute.

For him, yes.

What harm did I do him to require me to compensate him?

 

[JonNC]

So what do you propose

That if government deems it necessary to force certain businesses to close, that it provides restitution.

Bars are bastions of immoral behavior albeit mostly legal.

There are lots of things of that type. In a free society, it is tolerated unless someone is harmed.

How about abortion mills? If the government closed those, do you think they should be compensated as well?

Yes. If it is a legal business. Any business. On the other hand, government should not be supporting Planned Parenthood as it does today.

 

[JonNC]

And what restitution exactly? Cost of rent? Cost of utilities? Lost profits of the bar?

Lost revenue.

Abortion harms the baby.

Agreed. The baby’s rights are violated. Abortion is the execution of a soon to be born human being. It should be outlawed.

I see. Well, I look forward to your full proposal and will weigh it for myself

It should start with you. You’re the one who said government should use its power to force bars to close.

 

[JonNC]

That will make bars incredibly profitable since they will get all the revenue without having to pay for booze, labor, most utilities, etc.

Then gross profit, but they should be made whole.

I’m not a socialist, so I am a bit undecided on how the government should compensate, but, if they go with your plan, I need to buy myself a bar to make myself rich.

Buy yourself a bar, then be told you can’t be open. See how rich you get that way. It is immoral for government to shut a business down and not compensate.

 

[JonNC]

Interesting. Based on what? Previous year’s tax returns

I’m not writing the law here. They should be made whole. A reasonable expectation of what the business and employees were denied by government action.

Well, it seems like a winner if I am going to get profit straight from the government without having to work.

It isn’t a winner if you lose the business like thousands of small businesses across the country.

 

[umamibella]

Yes you are right, swish and spit.

Get it down the hatch, swish and spit.

 

[7_Sorrows]

7_Sorrows:

Why are so many people still getting sick then? Shouldn’t the numbers be
decreasing?

Simple, people are not doing the right thing.

Yes, I agree. So Trump cannot be blamed for people’s actions if they aren’t careful about hand sanitizing, avoiding large gatherings, following guidelines. Also Trump is not responsible for people’s unhealthy lifestyles (if they are obese or smoked for
50 years and have underlying health issues).

 

[umamibella]

Yes, I agree. So Trump cannot be blamed for people’s actions if they aren’t careful about hand sanitizing, avoiding large gatherings, following guidelines. Also Trump is not responsible for people’s unhealthy lifestyles (if they are obese or smoked for
50 years and have underlying health issues).

Yep, its the ijits here, in Aus, running around doing silly things.

Trump, regardless of what everyone thinks, and our own Dan Andrews, cannot stop the virus.

BUT, they , being in power and all, should be taking every measure posxible to limit its spread.