Mask situation in your church

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Thomas54 said:
I hope that you caught the three world class immunologist on Laura Ingram this evening that stated that lockdowns don’t work and it in 3 to 6 months this virus would’ve been gone had we just let people go about their lives & do smart things like stay home if you’re sick.
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This was tried in Sweden. It didn’t work. One could even say that was totally predictable. Covid-19 is not a seasonal flu. It is a different type of virus, related to SARS, with different patterns of infection and immunity.
 
Thomas54 said:
My point is that there is no science that says masks work and what you quoted from the CDC above supports my point.
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No. The CDC cited studies in this report which were of mask usage in long term close proximity. 7 were households. Were the people running these studies in the households to know what the personal hygiene was of the people in the households? Were they there to see if the folks washed their hands properly, or to make certain the masks were worn at all times. Some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

So were these actually scientific studies where all variables were controlled. NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. Yet you want to use them as a basis of why masks don’t work.

If this world class immunologist view that we should have just let herd immunity work its way through is a good idea. Do the numbers, your a math guy. 330 million divided by 7, is roughly 47. So we have just over 200k deaths right now times 47 and you end up with about 9.4 million deaths. Yea, lets not work with that plan.

You aren’t the only veteran out there to be sickened by suicides. Our mental health crisis in this country has been around for a long, long time. Were you griping about it before Covid?

Why don’t you just say, I don’t want to do something that I find an infringement on my personal freedoms, and be done with this.

Your reference to MSM is a dead giveaway. Every time someone wants to discount information, they simply come up with the fake news from MSM and them pull out some off the wall, unsupported source for their correct information.

Look at the CDC website and find the projected deaths this year based on previous years, and the number of actual deaths this year. Just so happens that the increase in number of deaths this years is right at 200k, which happens to be the number of deaths from Covid. You will think that is just a coincidence I suppose. It has nothing to do with your belief in a report from the CDC from bad studies, or you belief that so many other people are dying from other causes than Covid. (that isn’t true by the way). How many lives have been saved from auto accidents, and workplace deaths.

Other folks might buy into what you are trying to sell, but this guy ain’t buying the load of horse hockey that is still steaming on the wagon.
 
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dont wear a mask in church, so disrespectful to Jesus
You can be exempt
 
Bernoulli said:
This was tried in Sweden. It didn’t work. One could even say that was totally predictable. Covid-19 is not a seasonal flu. It is a different type of virus, related to SARS, with different patterns of infection and immunity.
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No one says the COVID-19 isn’t different. But didn’t I see last night or the night before that Sweden is doing better now than it’s neighboring countries & masks are not being used by most folks? Sweden did not go on a total lockdown and they didn’t close their schools.

My city reported last week that a 103-year-old nursing home patient died of Covid. Am I missing something with how Covid death statistics are compiled here? Could pushing the fear narrative be political? I’m just saying.

And, as I’ve said before, you can’t change peoples minds on politics, religion or Covid. And since Covid is more political than ever, I guess it’s still remains the same that you can’t change peoples minds on politics or religion.

God Bless,
Thomas
 
paperwight said:
So you think Jesus would be offended if we took action to avoid harm to our neighbour, not to mention did not obey lawful authority?
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What if one believes that one’s actions do not harm one’s neighbor? What if one cannot find any science that supports the governments laws? Quite the dilemma, eh?

Masks in our diocese are not mandatory, they are encouraged. If they were mandatory, I would obey our Bishop’s guidelines. I may not agree with him, but I would obey his guidance.

Since I don’t see the science and if I was worried about someone infecting me, I wouldn’t go to church, to the grocery store, to my grandkids events, etc… The operative word there is “worried.” When God wants me, I’m happy to go. We really don’t have a choice, do we?

I was at a Traditional Latin Mass yesterday in another city. One person out of 40+ had a mask on. Their Bishop recommends a mask.

Thomas
 
Jesus told us to trust him, ‘no sickness will come near my dwellling’

I’ve never masked for mass, never will.

Obey the government ? The one that promotes homosexuality and abortion… yes really trust them lot
 
Hellothere said:
The one that promotes homosexuality and abortion… yes really trust them lot
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Seriously. The gov is out there trying to convert people to homosexuality, and chasing women down to perform abortions.

People do those things all on their own, and don’t need any help from the gov. Blaming others is never a good strategy.
 
Thomas54 said:
What if one believes that one’s actions do not harm one’s neighbor? What if one cannot find any science that supports the governments laws?
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Folks think all kinds of actions don’t harm their neighbors. Doing drugs, having affairs, living immoral lifestyles.
 
So I imagine you didn’t actually read the links in the CDC article of the studies on face masked that you posted. I saved you some time and copied portions of the conclusions from those individual studies, since the “science” doesn’t support wearing face masks.

Do any of the conclusions recommend against wearing face masks to curb the spread of virus’? NO. Do they suggest that masks can reduce the spread. YES. You linked the article remember.

Conclusions . These findings suggest that face masks and hand hygiene may reduce respiratory illnesses in shared living settings and mitigate the impact of the influenza A(H1N1) pandemic.

Our study demonstrated a significant association between the combined use of face masks and hand hygiene and a substantially reduced incidence of ILI during a seasonal influenza outbreak. If masks and hand hygiene have similar impacts on primary incidence of infection with other seasonal and pandemic strains, particularly in crowded, community settings, then transmission of viruses between persons may be significantly decreased by these interventions.

Conclusion:

Hand hygiene and facemasks seemed to prevent household transmission of influenza virus when implemented within 36 hours of index patient symptom onset. These findings suggest that nonpharmaceutical interventions are important for mitigation of pandemic and interpandemic influenza.

Conclusions.

In this population, there was no detectable additional benefit of hand sanitizer or face masks over targeted education on overall rates of URIs, but mask wearing was associated with reduced secondary transmission and should be encouraged during outbreak situations.

Conclusions

Results suggest that household transmission of influenza can be reduced by the use of NPI, such as facemasks and intensified hand hygiene, when implemented early and used diligently. Concerns about acceptability and tolerability of the interventions should not be a reason against their recommendation.

Results of our study have global relevance to respiratory disease control planning, especially with regard to home care. During an influenza pandemic, supplies of antiviral drugs may be limited, and there will be unavoidable delays in the production of a matched pandemic vaccine ( 31 ). For new or emerging respiratory virus infections, no pharmaceutical interventions may be available. Even with seasonal influenza, widespread oseltamivir resistance in influenza virus A (H1N1) strains have recently been reported ( 32 ). Masks may therefore play an important role in reducing transmission.

Conclusions The study indicates a potential benefit of medical masks for source control, but is limited by small sample size and low secondary attack rates. Larger trials are needed to confirm efficacy of medical masks as source control.
 
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Where did Christ tell us to disobey our Priest, Bishop, just laws made by our government, how would Christ be disrespected by my love of neighbor?
 
Hellothere said:
no sickness will come near my dwellling
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The Psalms are poetry, not scientific textbooks. They were composed primarily by David, not by Jesus.

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Psalms, PSALM 91

Daily Bible Readings, Podcast Audio and Videos and Prayers brought to you by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
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Literalists for this Psalm are the snake handing/poison drinking Pentecostals from Appalachia and Deep South of the United States.
 
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Thomas54 said:
No one says the COVID-19 isn’t different. But didn’t I see last night or the night before that Sweden is doing better now than it’s neighboring countries & masks are not being used by most folks? Sweden did not go on a total lockdown and they didn’t close their schools.
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Not sure where you got that information. While Sweden has roughly twice the population of neighboring Finland or Norway, it has more than 10X the number of deaths.
Thomas54 said:
My point is that there is no science that says masks work and what you quoted from the CDC above supports my point.
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You keep saying this, but the vast majority of virologists disagree with you. Even anecdotally, Australia is experiencing one of the lowest incidences of seasonal flu in decades, which health professionals are attributing to the use of masks and social distancing. Even basic logic would suggest that an airborne virus is going to have a lower rate of transmission between masked individuals than unmasked.
 
JulianN said:
Not sure where you got that information. While Sweden has roughly twice the population of neighboring Finland or Norway, it has more than 10X the number of deaths.
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I saw three supposedly world-class, highly respected immunologists on Laura Ingrahm discuss covid & Sweden was highlighted. From what they showed, they are now mistly not wearing masks & they did not shut down there economy or schools.

II have time, I’ll go back and try and find it on YouTube and watch it again.

Thomas
 
Over here, everyone wears masks throughout Mass, including the priests. Mass timings are still not back to the usual schedule (limited timings, seatings and one needs to book before arriving, even though we have a very low number of cases (like 2 asymptomatic community cases yesterday).

Surprisingly/not unsurprisingly, nobody here is really that upset over the mask situation despite it being mandated by law (wear one outside no matter what, except for eating/drinking/exercising) even though we know that there’s a high likelihood that there’s no covid in the area. Some of us are getting restless though, but it’s mostly because of the weather/social distancing. The cultural differences I see here are always quite interesting.

Are masks really that uncomfortable? I switched to disposable masks because the clothes ones were quite suffocating and I didn’t mind it at all. I feel like a lot of complaints about the mask would dramatically reduce the moment we find the types that work best for us.
 
Thomas54 said:
I saw three supposedly world-class, highly respected immunologists on Laura Ingrahm discuss covid & Sweden was highlighted.
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You might want to just look at the actual numbers — they’re pretty straightforward.
 
I am in England and there are two requirements for attending Mass in my parish. Firstly you have to book a place. There is a limit of 70 due to social distancing. If you have not booked then you will not be allowed in. Secondly it is mandatory to wear a mask. No mask no admittance. I detest wearing a mask but to be able to take communion I will put up with it and offer it up to the Lord.
 
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