Masonic 33rd Degree Ritual

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“Sigh” yes, if you read my post you would see that I already know this. But the internet is not reliable and I am hoping that a 33 degree mason who has converted may see this post and contact me.
 
“Ex” masons, I said. It is quite common for non practising catholicsxto become masons and then recover their Catholicism later and leave freemasonry.

It’s also not uncommon for a mason to convert - Im a case in point.
 
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Well it is not the only place Im looking. But I m more likely to find an ex mason here than iby writing to a masonic lodge, as one comment suggested.

To do an academic job one has to be careful, or you persuade nobody.
 
Maximian said:
To do an academic job one has to be careful, or you persuade nobody.
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True-and something to remember-no one cares about the Masons anymore. In about a decade or so, there won’t be any left. So it might be interesting, and you might be right, but don’t expect it to be earth shattering and expect it to cause the Masons to fall to their feet in defeat.
 
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Thanks for your avuncular advice.

Im basically trying to generate a document which may persuade certain circles of masons I know to drop it.

Freemasonry is quite strong and masonic ideas spread far beyond its mere membership. The central idea in anglosaxon freemasonry that all religions are equally valuable and the important thing is to do good is extremely entrenched in the public mind.
 
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Maximian said:
Thanks for your avuncular advice.

Im basically trying to generate a document which may persuade certain circles of masons I know to drop it.

Freemasonry is quite strong and masonic ideas spread far beyond its mere membership. The central idea in anglosaxon freemasonry that all religions are equally valuable and the important thing is to do good is extremely entrenched in the public mind.
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Be a good witness to Christ by submitting to the teachings of the Church and the authority of the Pope. The grace of your obedience will guide you in evangenlising your brothers.
 
I don’t think you understand that masonry is relativistic. It doesn’t care if OP lives a good life because people of all faiths can. They need to be shown what’s wrong to truly change. That is OP’s goal.
 
Maximian said:
Im basically trying to generate a document which may persuade certain circles of masons I know to drop it.
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Give them the writings of the Vatican on freemasonary. We cannot really do better then that of several Popes can we.

We cannot use random internet information in academic circles either.

Why not tell your masonary circles that the focus on worshipping any god is pagan, and that masonary is luciferian. If they dont listen to that , they wont listen to heresy.
 
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What I understand is that the OP rejects all Church teaching on freemasonry as useles
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I don’t see where the OP said this. He’s mentioned otherwise several times.
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His superior attitude to the people in this thread is a telling sign of gnostic aspirations in my opinion.
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I don’t really agree with this. One, it unfairly attributes to the OP something that isn’t really obvious and could be untrue, and two, his attitude isn’t superior as much as it is exasperated at people misunderstanding and replying past his post.
 
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I don’t think you understand that masonry is relativistic. It doesn’t care if OP lives a good life because people of all faiths can. They need to be shown what’s wrong to truly change. That is OP’s goal.
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What I understand is that the OP rejects all Church teaching on freemasonry as useless and believes he will produce a unique teaching that will make them drop like flies. His superior attitude to the people in this thread is a telling sign of gnostic aspirations in my opinion.
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He doesn’t reject Church teaching. He wants to create a document which does a line by line breakdown of why the Church is right that Masonry is anti-Christian. There’s nothing wrong with such an effort and it has practical value when discussing it with non-Catholic Christians.
 
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Salibi said:
I don’t really agree with this. One, it unfairly attributes to the OP something that isn’t really obvious and could be untrue, and two, his attitude isn’t superior as much as it is exasperated at people misunderstanding and replying past his post.
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It just seems strange to me that even non masons know that secrecy is one of the hallmarks of masonry as it “so deeply entrenched in financial and business endeavours”. Penalties for revealing secrets are devastating.

Perhaps another . . . highly trained academic theologian. . . will satisfy the OP.

Part 1 - Watch from the 5 minute mark.


Part 2 - Watch from the 4 minute mark.

 
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That is why OP is trying to find an ex-Mason who isn’t scared to spill the heretical beans. He doesn’t need opinions from other people, he wants the testimony of someone who has been in the ceremony.

Also, that snide remark at the OP is very uncharitable. If you’ll make no effort to understand him, at least save the insults.
 
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Give them the writings of the Vatican on freemasonary. We cannot really do better then that of several Popes can we.
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The writings of the Vatican are addressed to Catholics. They tell Catholics why they should not become freemasons.

They do not attempt to explain to Freemasons why their rituals are heretical in their nature.

Probably you have not read the text of a masonic ritual much less seen it in action. It is cleverly constructed so that very unchristian ideas are actively promoted using ambiguous language which (mostly) could be accepted by a Christian but whose ambiguity, combined with a symbolism which is clear for those who think about it, in fact furthers an unchristian philosophy.
As one commentator rightly said on this thread, relativism is an important element behind masonic ideas. The idea that “my truth” is as valid as “your truth” is one of the most damaging ideas to come out of freemasonry and you find it everywhere.
 
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Ok so you have to relate to these friends in a non catholic way, which automatically rules out

‘dont be a free mason because it is heretical to the Catholic Church’.

That argument will be meaningless without knowledge of the Catholic Church and the ability to read what Catholic Popes and theologians have said about why the freemasons are heretics and to be avoided.
Why are you trying to raise this argument?

Do these people believe in the devil?
 
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Most of them are high church Anglicans who have accepted freemasonry’s own claim that it does not impinge on the religious beliefs of its members.
 
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They do not attempt to explain to Freemasons why their rituals are heretical in their nature.
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But do you not think that the reason that 33rd degree masonry is so secret because they already know how the principles are the antithesis of Catholic principles? Perhaps one day you might arrange a clandestine meeting with an ex 33rd degree Mason, but how is that sort of nod, nod, wink, wink, going to be the basis of a credible Catholic response?
 
I cannot help noticing that one or two of the participants in this thread have been questioning me quite aggressively as if they were intrinsically hostile to the idea of a Catholic using his training to debunk masonic ritual.

If anyone thinks this is wrong please explain why.
 
The point is that most freemasons have never seen a 33 degree ritual. I haven’t, at least not one that I can be certain is genuine and current, and I got quite far up the ladder before I left.

If the ritual I have seen on the internet is genuine, it completely contradicts what masons are told when they join. This could cause some of them to consider whether they want to continue.

By analogy: imagine you got a good job in the manufacturing industry which claimed that all its products were ecofriendly. Then someone showed you board minutes proving that the company was deep into pollutants. You might then decide to move elsewhere.
 
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Why do you think they are going to be swayed by something Catholics and the Vatican consider heresy?
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High Church Anglicans have a broadly similar understanding to Catholics of what constitutes heresy, on a very high proportion of issues.
 
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