Masonic Conspiracy Theory

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AngloCatholic1 said:
Almost ALL of your country’s presidents have been Masons, with only a few exceptions (Lincoln and Kennedy come to mind!). Both Bush’s are Masons. Clinton is a Mason. Kerry is a Mason. Obama is a Mason (the Lodge in Washington hosted him at a dinner meeting right after his inauguration - I saw the posting for it online). The men who own the Federal Reserve (neither federal, nor a reserve) are all Masons (when Obama asks them to create a trillion dollars to “fix” the economy, he collects taxes from YOU so he can pay “interest” to THEM).
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AngloCatholic; I hate to break this to you, but you’re 100 % wrong on your answers and I think you are very confused.

You need to study a little more and get your facts straight as well. Clinton is not a Mason; Kerry is not a Mason, Obama is not a Mason. If you saw a posting for Obama being a Mason, please do share the link with all of us. Can you provide links proving that the “men who own the Federal Reserve” are all Masons? Somehow I don’t think you can. Please prove me wrong and provide the links.
 
Prove you wrong? Sure thing!

The original posting for the dinner to honour Barak Obama at the Washington Masonic hall is of course no longer on line. I am, however, able to show you this Jan. 9, 2009 article published in Philadelphia’s “Bulletin” newspaper:
thebulletin.us/articles/2009/01/06/news/nation/doc4962f40bdaca4354944057.txt

As for Bill Clinton, this article from “Freemasonry Today” (an official Masonic website) tells how Clinton was first introduced to Masonry as a youth. Bill Clinton was a member of the Order of DeMolay, named after Jacques de Molay, the leader of the Knights Templar who was convicted of treason and heresy by King Philip IV of France in 1307. This, incidentally, is further proof that the Knights Templar were the precursors to the modern-day Freemasons.
freemasonrytoday.com/05/p09.php

I noticed you didn’t deny that both of the Bush’s are Masons. Nevertheless, here’s a link to a video showing both George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry ADMITTING ON TELEVISION that they are members of Yales “Skull and Bones”:
youtube.com/watch?v=V8Zmpu6b-28
And this article confirms this also:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

For those who don’t know, Skull and Bones is a Masonic organization. In fact, the very logo of Skull and Bones depicts the skull and crossed bones of Jacques de Molay of the Knights Templar, as stated on this page (scroll down to heading “Skull and Crossbones”):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_legends

Who owns the Federal Reserve? Well, it’s NOT THE PEOPLE of the U.S., I can assure you! Here’s the real nuts and bolts of it:
globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489

And a chart/list of the real owners in their heyday:
save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

You will see a number of names recurring on the above page. Namely Rothschild, Warburg, Lehman Brothers, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, etc. Let’s start with the granddaddy name at the TOP of the Federal Reserve chart: Rothschild. Here’s one of MANY of links connecting the Rothschild family with Freemasonry:
rense.com/general77/POWERS.HTM

The Rockefeller family and Freemasonry:
thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11386

Let me know if you need more. 😉
 
Well said AngloCatholic. You might have also mentioned the well known Newsweek photo of Obama wearing a Masonic ring. A little googling will pull that up in no time. It’s amazing how many people missed that.

C.
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
Prove you wrong? Sure thing!

The original posting for the dinner to honour Barak Obama at the Washington Masonic hall is of course no longer on line. I am, however, able to show you this Jan. 9, 2009 article published in Philadelphia’s “Bulletin” newspaper:
thebulletin.us/articles/2009/01/06/news/nation/doc4962f40bdaca4354944057.txt

As for Bill Clinton, this article from “Freemasonry Today” (an official Masonic website) tells how Clinton was first introduced to Masonry as a youth. Bill Clinton was a member of the Order of DeMolay, named after Jacques de Molay, the leader of the Knights Templar who was convicted of treason and heresy by King Philip IV of France in 1307. This, incidentally, is further proof that the Knights Templar were the precursors to the modern-day Freemasons.
freemasonrytoday.com/05/p09.php

I noticed you didn’t deny that both of the Bush’s are Masons. Nevertheless, here’s a link to a video showing both George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry ADMITTING ON TELEVISION that they are members of Yales “Skull and Bones”:
youtube.com/watch?v=V8Zmpu6b-28
And this article confirms this also:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

For those who don’t know, Skull and Bones is a Masonic organization. In fact, the very logo of Skull and Bones depicts the skull and crossed bones of Jacques de Molay of the Knights Templar, as stated on this page (scroll down to heading “Skull and Crossbones”):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_legends

The Rockefeller family and Freemasonry:
thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11386

Let me know if you need more. 😉
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This will be fun.

The original posting for the dinner to honour Barak Obama at the Washington Masonic hall is of course no longer on line. I am, however, able to show you this Jan. 9, 2009 article published in Philadelphia’s “Bulletin” newspaper:
thebulletin.us/articles/2009/01/06/news/nation/doc4962f40bdaca4354944057.txt

If you read the article very carefully you’ll find that it is dinner in honor of President Obama. Now where does it state that Barack Obama is a Freemason

masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm

As for Bill Clinton, this article from “Freemasonry Today” (an official Masonic website) tells how Clinton was first introduced to Masonry as a youth. Bill Clinton was a member of the Order of DeMolay, named after Jacques de Molay, the leader of the Knights Templar who was convicted of treason and heresy by King Philip IV of France in 1307. This, incidentally, is further proof that the Knights Templar were the precursors to the modern-day Freemasons.
freemasonrytoday.com/05/p09.php

** Bill Clinton was a member of the “DeMolay”. The DeMolay is a youth group sponsored by Freemasonry and as such Bill Clinton is not nor has he ever been a freemason.**
masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm

I noticed you didn’t deny that both of the Bush’s are Masons. Nevertheless, here’s a link to a video showing both George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry ADMITTING ON TELEVISION that they are members of Yales “Skull and Bones”:
youtube.com/watch?v=V8Zmpu6b-28
And this article confirms this also:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

**Your correct in that I didn’t mention the fact I did not deny that Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. were Freemasons. Guess what? They are not Freemason’s either! **

masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm

Who owns the Federal Reserve? Well, it’s NOT THE PEOPLE of the U.S., I can assure you! Here’s the real nuts and bolts of it:
globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489

And a chart/list of the real owners in their heyday:
save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

You will see a number of names recurring on the above page. Namely Rothschild, Warburg, Lehman Brothers, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, etc. Let’s start with the granddaddy name at the TOP of the Federal Reserve chart: Rothschild. Here’s one of MANY of links connecting the Rothschild family with Freemasonry:
rense.com/general77/POWERS.HTM

So much for your conspiracy therories

masonicinfo.com/conspire.htm

As you can see I’ve disproved all your assertions. With all due respect, if you expect to be taken seriously, you really need to make sure your facts are correct before posting your remarks on the internet to be seen by everyone. And i’d like to take you up on your offer to show me more if you’d still like to. 😉
 
gamewell45:

You haven’t disproven a single claim!

Barak Obama attends a dinner at a Washington Masonic hall to honour his election, A WEEK BEFORE HE’S EVEN SWORN-IN AS PRESIDENT, and YOU say that this doesn’t PROVE he’s a Freemason? I suppose if I showed you a photo of his membership card (or the picture of his Masonic ring in Newsweek) you’d say it was photoshopped!!! But the FACT is, I’ve just given more evidence that Obama is a Mason than he’s given the public that he was “born in the USA” (especially considering his own grandmother claimed on public radio that she was there, IN KENYA, when he was born!).

Bill Clinton isn’t a Mason? His membership in THE Masonic youth group is well documented, his current membership record remains private… which means you can “legally” claim there’s no PROOF he’s a Mason! Once again, you pharisee, I don’t happen to have a photo of his membership card, but even if I did…

Bush Sr. and Jr. aren’t Freemasons? :eek: Okay, so I can’t show you a photo of their membership cards either, BUT THEY CAN’T SHOW ME A SINGLE PICTURE OF THE WRECKAGE OF THE JUMBO JET that supposedly CRASHED IN PENNSYLVANIA either!!!

“So much for my conspiracy theories?” That’s all you have to say? Let me tell you, the “Beast rising up out of the sea” (Rev. 13) has MANY tentacles; Freemasonry is just ONE of them. It would be a BIG MISTAKE for me or anyone else to pin this all down to one organization, however it IS THE BEAST that connects them all.

And after all, the POINT was to show that Freemasons really CAN be involved in politics in South America. I think I’ve clearly shown that that’s not a stretch of anyone’s imagination. Case closed! 👍
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
gamewell45:

You haven’t disproven a single claim!

Barak Obama attends a dinner at a Washington Masonic hall to honour his election, A WEEK BEFORE HE’S EVEN SWORN-IN AS PRESIDENT, and YOU say that this doesn’t PROVE he’s a Freemason? I suppose if I showed you a photo of his membership card (or the picture of his Masonic ring in Newsweek) you’d say it was photoshopped!!! But the FACT is, I’ve just given more evidence that Obama is a Mason than he’s given the public that he was “born in the USA” (especially considering his own grandmother claimed on public radio that she was there, IN KENYA, when he was born!).

Bill Clinton isn’t a Mason? His membership in THE Masonic youth group is well documented, his current membership record remains private… which means you can “legally” claim there’s no PROOF he’s a Mason! Once again, you pharisee, I don’t happen to have a photo of his membership card, but even if I did…

Bush Sr. and Jr. aren’t Freemasons? :eek: Okay, so I can’t show you a photo of their membership cards either, BUT THEY CAN’T SHOW ME A SINGLE PICTURE OF THE WRECKAGE OF THE JUMBO JET that supposedly CRASHED IN PENNSYLVANIA either!!!

“So much for my conspiracy theories?” That’s all you have to say? Let me tell you, the “Beast rising up out of the sea” (Rev. 13) has MANY tentacles; Freemasonry is just ONE of them. It would be a BIG MISTAKE for me or anyone else to pin this all down to one organization, however it IS THE BEAST that connects them all.

And after all, the POINT was to show that Freemasons really CAN be involved in politics in South America. I think I’ve clearly shown that that’s not a stretch of anyone’s imagination. Case closed! 👍
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AngloCatholic; please stop beating a dead horse already. If you took the time to read my sources (links) you would have had your answer. For the benefit of those others in this thread:

The DeMolay is a youth group sponsored by the Masons; being in the DeMolay does not make one a Freemason. Try getting into a Lodge meeting by telling them that you were in the DeMolay; they’ll show you to the front door in nothing flat.

President Obama is not a Freemason. His name is not on the rolls of any recognized lodge around the world.

Both Bushes are members of the “Skull & Bones” society; a college fraternity that has no ties/connections to Freemasonry.

Finally, your so-called conspiracy theories are that; nothing more then unsubstantiated theories. Please do not make these irresponsible accusations unless you have truly undisputed truth.

Case Closed!
 
Gamewell,
If this is “masonic damage control” it’s pretty weak stuff. In your earlier reply you claim to “debunk” theories about the Federal Reserve and you provided this link: masonicinfo.com/conspire.htm
Now if you go to that link and scroll down to the Federal Reserve material a further link is provided (members.home.net/ ) which is a real estate site! Is this what you call “research”?? Your other links are masonic sites, citing them is not exactly good research.
Are you a mason yourself? Apparently so as you say …“Try getting into a Lodge meeting by telling them that you were in the DeMolay; they’ll show you to the front door in nothing flat.”
Only a mason would know that, right?
I should think your “brother” masons would be ashamed of your sloppy work You seem to think that if the lodges have issued denials of something then the mere denial should be accepted as truth. I guess that’s OK for masons who have to accept the dogmas of the lodge or else. The lodges have never had the truth. The Church does.
So “Skull and Bones” is not masonic?? Try looking at this website of the Phoenix Masonry library: phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/skulls_and_bones.htm
That’s a masonic site which says “Skull and Bones” is indeed masonic. Since you are fond of citing masonic web sites, I thought you might be interested.
It’s not exactly a closed case, is it??

C.
 
Cetil said:
Are you a mason yourself? Apparently so as you say …“Try getting into a Lodge meeting by telling them that you were in the DeMolay; they’ll show you to the front door in nothing flat.”
Only a mason would know that, right?
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Nope; the profane who attempt to maintain that they are masons would know as well.

Case remains closed.
 
Sorry gamewell45, but the case is NOT closed. You’re still be cross-examined on the witness stand.

On the one hand, you say that Barak Obama is NOT a Freemason.
On the other hand you also say that: “Try getting into a Lodge meeting by telling them that you were in the DeMolay; they’ll show you to the front door in nothing flat.”

Given the FACT that Obama was invited tot he Masonic hall in Washington (we BOTH agree he was), then one of the above statements is a LIE.

I call that perjury.

**Either a)
Obama IS a Mason.

or b)
Masons DO grant access to their Lodges to non-members who also happen to hold GREAT POLITICAL INFLUENCE.

WHICH IS IT?**

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gamewell45 said:
Nope; the profane who attempt to maintain that they are masons would know as well.

Case remains closed.
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As you are not able to respond to anything else in my last post that is a concession on your part which is fine with me. “Profane” is a masonic code word for non-Masons, those who are not part of the sect. The use of it proves amply well that masonry is a cult.

C.
 
Cetil said:
As you are not able to respond to anything else in my last post that is a concession on your part which is fine with me. “Profane” is a masonic code word for non-Masons, those who are not part of the sect. The use of it proves amply well that masonry is a cult.

C.
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A pantheistic one at that.
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
Sorry gamewell45, but the case is NOT closed. You’re still be cross-examined on the witness stand.

On the one hand, you say that Barak Obama is NOT a Freemason.
On the other hand you also say that: “Try getting into a Lodge meeting by telling them that you were in the DeMolay; they’ll show you to the front door in nothing flat.”

Given the FACT that Obama was invited tot he Masonic hall in Washington (we BOTH agree he was), then one of the above statements is a LIE.

I call that perjury.

**Either a)
Obama IS a Mason.

or b)
Masons DO grant access to their Lodges to non-members who also happen to hold GREAT POLITICAL INFLUENCE.

WHICH IS IT?**

🤷
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Guess we are going to have to agree to disagree I guess. Nonetheless, thank you for stating your position regarding Freemasonry.
 
Cetil said:
As you are not able to respond to anything else in my last post that is a concession on your part which is fine with me. “Profane” is a masonic code word for non-Masons, those who are not part of the sect. The use of it proves amply well that masonry is a cult.

C.
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I guess that you and I will have to agree to disagree.
 
Rumil said:
Not sure which sub-forum to bring this up in, but It’s based on something I heard on the Catholic Answers radio program–I believe it was the first hour of Friday’s show. A guest mentioned claimed that Masons were behind the left-wing movements in Latin America; this was stated as fact not opinion. I was stunned. I was under the impression that all guests on Catholic Answers (except for Protestant/Catholic debates, etc.) were adherent to to Catholic doctrine as understood by Catholic Answers; I have never yet heard on Catholic Answers a liberal Catholic, a reformist Catholic, a left-wing Catholic, a sedavacantist, a conclavist or anyone with any heterodox viewpoint. Is endosement of Masonic conspiracy theories actually an official Catholic doctrine? I do understand that Catholicism views the Masons as a false religion and Catholics are forbidden to join, but that is not the same as a conspiracy theory; for example, Shintoism is also a false religions, but Catholics don’t think that Shintoists are plotting to take over the world. I associate this position with one taken by “Traditonal Catholics” that believe that all the changes brought on by Vatican II are a diabolic plot; for example, various breakaway “Catholic” churches, Hutton Gibson (Mel’s dad) and so on. When I hear Masonic conspiracy theories coming from Catholics, it is almost always associated with anti semiticism, so it is far from harmless. What is the official Catholic position on Masonic conspiracy theories?
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It’s true we don’t know about some of these conspiracy theories but, one thing for sure, we know what Pope Leo XIII said in Humanum Genus in 1884. We know they were at the center of the great revolutions during the 1700’s and 1800’s as I stated on the other thread on Freemasonry. Pope Leo had the proof. In modern Freemasonry, Voltaire was a major figure and he was an atheist. One of their goals was to destroy the Christian Nations and rebuild them with man at the center instead of God. The modern era began with the French Revolution. Since then, we have made great strides in science but threw out the moral law. Because of this, we are now facing possible destruction - we have nearly destroyed the family.
 
James224 said:
It’s true we don’t know about some of these conspiracy theories but, one thing for sure, we know what Pope Leo XIII said in Humanum Genus in 1884. We know they were at the center of the great revolutions during the 1700’s and 1800’s as I stated on the other thread on Freemasonry. Pope Leo had the proof. In modern Freemasonry, Voltaire was a major figure and he was an atheist. One of their goals was to destroy the Christian Nations and rebuild them with man at the center instead of God. The modern era began with the French Revolution. Since then, we have made great strides in science but threw out the moral law. Because of this, we are now facing possible destruction - we have nearly destroyed the family.
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Well stated, James224. An excellent summary. Perhaps we should simply end this thread with that. Amen.
 
DallasTexas said:
I don’t believe endorsement of Masonic conspiracy theories to be Catholic doctrine–although you would not know that by reading papal encyclicals/bulls. It seems to be a common human short-coming to search for a boogy-man; even when no such individual exist.
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The many Popes that spoke out against masonry were not attempting to “search for a boogy-man”. They were shining light on the darkness. Your quote only shows your lack of respect for Christ’s vicar and your elevation of masonry over the Church that Christ left to safeguard and guide souls, as you act as a masonic apologetic.

Evil exists and it has attempted to destroy the Church for 2000 years. But the gates of hell will no prevail.
 
jam070406 said:
Albert Pike had some interesting things to say regarding Masonry. Whether or not the letter in this link is authentic… it is spooky.

threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
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Albert Pike, while a very respected freemason was not a spokesperson for the craft.

If you read the preface to his books there is a disclaimer to that fact put in there that in essence, it is only his opinion and not that of Freemasonry.
 
What would be the point of “seeking a spokesperson for the craft”? We are trying to get at the truth.

C.
 
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