The point being that many people are mislead into believing that Albert Pike represented the “craft” and whatever he printed was literally taken as the gospel, which of course is not the case.What would be the point of “seeking a spokesperson for the craft”? We are trying to get at the truth.
C.
You claim to be a follower of Christ, Pike is a Luciferian who had a desire to destroy Christianity. Why on earth would you respect his evil notions?Albert Pike, while a very respected freemason was not a spokesperson for the craft.
Can you point out to me where "I" stated that I respected him??You claim to be a follower of Christ, Pike is a Luciferian who had a desire to destroy Christianity. Why on earth would you respect his evil notions?
This just shows the glaring disorder in Masonry, the Masonic mindset and why the Church continues to advise Catholics to stay away as to not lose their Faith by adopting such sins against that Faith.
I suspect that an overwhelming majority of these videos were produced by those seeking their 15 minutes of fame and are nothing more then raw hysterics by conspiratorist theorists.I myself used to be very skeptical about the conspiracy stuff. However…I started to dig in this stuff and i did my own research etc and in my opinion its true. There is a conspiracy and not just that. This conspiracy is even bigger than my eyes imagined. The whole conspiracy answers to many of my questions. Do ghosts exist? Do aliens exist? Is our goverment lying to us about 9/11, pentagon attackss and many other supposed programs? Who controls the world? Etc etc
I will give u a few links about some videos ive seen, though i must say ive seen hundreds of them, i will only post the basics.
The Illuminati conspiracy (Part 1 to 13)
youtube.com/watch?v=vsea-oXMxGI
youtube.com/watch?v=ImRItozEg6I
youtube.com/watch?v=jaDN7GmK2tY
youtube.com/watch?v=NVVVxWbLBbo
youtube.com/watch?v=7tEH2KeaUzs
youtube.com/watch?v=ar0zFEkKClo
youtube.com/watch?v=avPty5E9FYQ
youtube.com/watch?v=avPty5E9FYQ
youtube.com/watch?v=xtC_RvPJwd4
youtube.com/watch?v=dLkNxMyMNj8
youtube.com/watch?v=ydVIyP-zSBw
youtube.com/watch?v=4t0IU1Gvaus
youtube.com/watch?v=uu4kSp5tTLg
Freemason/Illuminati Movies,TV Shows,Music,Videogames exposed Part 1 of 8 (highly recommend to watch)
youtube.com/watch?v=4JHThf32azM
youtube.com/watch?v=iE2MsVaIOq0
youtube.com/watch?v=LgXkSC5jzMk
youtube.com/watch?v=aO7VedeT0Rg
youtube.com/watch?v=Ad8XPHfjy6w
youtube.com/watch?v=c9cszZU93Rk
youtube.com/watch?v=ydVIyP-zSBw
youtube.com/watch?v=XdrJzj5cYBg
Some vids regarding the Microchips (The mark of the Beast?)
youtube.com/watch?v=MV1ZJc4nAT4
youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA
Some vids about why 9/11 attacks were created by our own goverment.(if i have time ill post some of the pentagon attacks too)
youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw
youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60
youtube.com/watch?v=M4YsLnIFEr4
youtube.com/watch?v=wwq04_KhCeI
Videos regarding Cross-Shaped UFOs, Cross-shaped crop circles and project blue beam (hologram theory):
youtube.com/watch?v=nPAYbbGLYlE
youtube.com/watch?v=TAbq2Nh5P38
youtube.com/watch?v=IPLGyWsSPE0
youtube.com/watch?v=xu01HujxpQo
youtube.com/watch?v=01Uv2g2xAeU
Skip to 9:40 ^^^^
youtube.com/watch?v=WXS3o7Y0lK8
youtube.com/watch?v=NPsiEb5picU
youtube.com/watch?v=yvOIJRUtzWg
youtube.com/watch?v=wcYG3ZVHwU0
youtube.com/watch?v=3N2RrQWsGes
youtube.com/watch?v=TdVdWv50o2Y
About all this heres my own conclusions:
All these videos have a huge relation (youll find out if u see them). My conclusions to all of this:
-Do UFOs exist? Yes but they arent extraterrestials or Aliens like many believe. They are actually Demons/Spirits. (This doesnt mean im saying Aliens dont exist. Im just saying that the typical UFOs ppl see are not Aliens).
-Do the illuminati exist? Yes and they are trully evil and want to establish a New World Order.
-About Ghosts: They are not what many people think they are. They are not our ancestors or ppl that died in the past (an uncle, a friend, family etc). What they are is Demons disguised as them trying to fool us. They often appear in places where the Ouija has been played in or where there has been any withcraft activity.
-Was 9/11 a set up? Yes definetly ( I think im 100% sure about this fact).
-Is the the new microchip they want us to use in the near future the Mark of the Beast? Im not 100% sure of this but i think it is and I will never let them put me one of those things (just in case lol).
-Will the World End in 2012? Nah lol its just goverment propaganda. They tryna make us fear and panic but remember that only God knows when the second coming will be (wich is when the world will end).
-Is Project Blue Beam true/gonna happen? About this i dont know but it definetly fits what the bible says about the anti-christ trying to fool the world (about him saying hes the messiah), and well if u checked the vids it also fits the UFOs that have the shape of a cross and the cross-shaped crop circles that have been lately been appearing. Its also hard to think that the whole wide world would be fooled by holographic technology (but apperantly the 9/11 2nd plane was a hologram lol).
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Honestly aftet the first 4 or 5 I felt there was no need to; all are of the same category. But a friendly thank you for your suggestion.Gamewell,
Why don’t you watch them all before giving us the masonic opinion.
C.
I read the first few posts and I’m taking, somewhat, the other position. I don’t believe in every conspiracy theory but the Church clearly has been severly attacked over the past 2 centuries by Freemasonry. They destroyed The Holy Roman Empire pretty much through the Napoleonic Wars. There are no Catholic Confessional States to speak of. There are many Catholic Books on the subject and they all say Masonry was behind all the major revolutions since the French Revolution. This would include for sure the French Revolution, the Revolution of 1848 and the takeover of the Papal States in 1870. Pope Leo XIII came out in 1884 with the Encyclical Humanum Genus which excoriates Freemasonry. I think there is legitimate speculation that Freemasonry has been behind the destruction of our society. Of course, they operate behind other non-profits, etc. When men fall away from Christ and His Church, conspiracy (inspiration) moves them to destroy Christianity. Remember, Christ said if you are not with me you are against me.Not sure which sub-forum to bring this up in, but It’s based on something I heard on the Catholic Answers radio program–I believe it was the first hour of Friday’s show. A guest mentioned claimed that Masons were behind the left-wing movements in Latin America; this was stated as fact not opinion. I was stunned. I was under the impression that all guests on Catholic Answers (except for Protestant/Catholic debates, etc.) were adherent to to Catholic doctrine as understood by Catholic Answers; I have never yet heard on Catholic Answers a liberal Catholic, a reformist Catholic, a left-wing Catholic, a sedavacantist, a conclavist or anyone with any heterodox viewpoint. Is endosement of Masonic conspiracy theories actually an official Catholic doctrine? I do understand that Catholicism views the Masons as a false religion and Catholics are forbidden to join, but that is not the same as a conspiracy theory; for example, Shintoism is also a false religions, but Catholics don’t think that Shintoists are plotting to take over the world. I associate this position with one taken by “Traditonal Catholics” that believe that all the changes brought on by Vatican II are a diabolic plot; for example, various breakaway “Catholic” churches, Hutton Gibson (Mel’s dad) and so on. When I hear Masonic conspiracy theories coming from Catholics, it is almost always associated with anti semiticism, so it is far from harmless. What is the official Catholic position on Masonic conspiracy theories?
Catholic and Mason at the same time? That’s an impossibility. You could not have been a practicing Catholic and Mason in good standing at the same time. Hope you can see the contradiction therein.I simply have to laugh every time I read this anti-masonic dribble on Catholic Answers. There is so much misinformation about the Masonic fraternal organizations taking over the world, trying to destroy the Catholic Church, blah, blah, blah. Having been in the Mason as a practicing Catholic there were never any anti-Catholic positions, feelings, talk, etc. There weren’t plans to destroy the Church, no one ever did anything to take over the world, create one religion. I seriously don’t know where all this garbage comes from. Some Catholics cite what this pope or that pope wrote hundreds of years ago as evidence. Times change, people change, nothing is static expect the Church’s position on outdated, wrong, incorrect, misguided, misinformed information. I don’t know what the Masons were hundreds of years ago. Nor do I care. I know what they are today, and that is a fraternal organization. They raise money for children’s hospitals, taking care of elderly, treatment for mental illness and just having fun being around and with people of the same fraternal organization. No different than the KofC except the Masons are open to everyone and the Knights are closed to Catholics only. That’s about it. I wish the bigotry and hatred against good mislabeled people who are part of the Masons would stop and I wish the Church would get correct information to make a proper judgement.
Yes, I understand your point. I was a Mason since the 1980s and joined the KofC where I was told somehow being a part of a fraternal organization as the Masons was somehow going to send me to Hell. That was news to me and I was open about it with other priests and was never told this was a problem until last year. Still don’t get it, but I did demit from all the Masonic groups after being told of this. That being said, I know from personal experience that Masonic organizations are not anti-Catholic, not anti-Pope, not in conflict with my faith, and was encouraged to be active in my faith by other Masons. The only thing I heard from some Catholics is a bunch of lies and distortions about Masons. Since none of them ever were a part of the Masonic fraternity, what they say is simply what they have been told or read by some anti-Masonic writers. Cannot blame them for being ignorant on the subject, it is just troubling that such prejudice exists within the Catholic Church.Catholic and Mason at the same time? That’s an impossibility. You could not have been a practicing Catholic and Mason in good standing at the same time. Hope you can see the contradiction therein.
There’s more to it than that. The rank and file members are good men trying to do charity and enjoying a fraternal group, however, the upper echelons are suspect in conspiracy. I have some non-catholic relatives that are members and they are good men. The Grand Orient Lodge was involved a lot more in the European Revolutions than the Scottish Rite but they are both guilty of undermining society. Here’s a couple of books to read: Behind the Lodge Door by Paul Fisher, Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked by Msgr Dillon, Humanum Genus by Pope Leo XIII & The Kingship of Christ by Fr Denis Fahey.I simply have to laugh every time I read this anti-masonic dribble on Catholic Answers. There is so much misinformation about the Masonic fraternal organizations taking over the world, trying to destroy the Catholic Church, blah, blah, blah. Having been in the Mason as a practicing Catholic there were never any anti-Catholic positions, feelings, talk, etc. There weren’t plans to destroy the Church, no one ever did anything to take over the world, create one religion. I seriously don’t know where all this garbage comes from. Some Catholics cite what this pope or that pope wrote hundreds of years ago as evidence. Times change, people change, nothing is static expect the Church’s position on outdated, wrong, incorrect, misguided, misinformed information. I don’t know what the Masons were hundreds of years ago. Nor do I care. I know what they are today, and that is a fraternal organization. They raise money for children’s hospitals, taking care of elderly, treatment for mental illness and just having fun being around and with people of the same fraternal organization. No different than the KofC except the Masons are open to everyone and the Knights are closed to Catholics only. That’s about it. I wish the bigotry and hatred against good mislabeled people who are part of the Masons would stop and I wish the Church would get correct information to make a proper judgement.
Two books, Blood Drenched Altars, by Francis Clement Kelley, and Mexican Martyrdom by Rev. Wilfrid Parsons, might help you better discern the truth about Masonic activity vis-a-vis the Church, however benign your personal experience has been. These accounts demonstrate a very recent “once was” that has continuing repercussions in the life of that country - and ours.What “they say” and the truth are two quite different things. Remember, there are Christian sects out there who believe the Catholic Church is controlled by Satan and that the Pope is the anti-Christ. There are all sorts of books and websites on the subject. Does that make it the truth?
I am amazed the number of references to Masonry and the events they supposedly were involved in hundreds of years ago and somehow, if true, makes Masonry evil today. If that were the case, the United States would rightfully still be considered an evil nation because we once allowed slavery. Time to review the now, and not what once was.
RE: Mexican Martyrdom by Rev. Wilfrid Parsons, I am interested in the contents. Do you have a copy on hand and can you share any quotes FCEGM?Two books, Blood Drenched Altars, by Francis Clement Kelley, and Mexican Martyrdom by Rev. Wilfrid Parsons, might help you better discern the truth about Masonic activity vis-a-vis the Church, however benign your personal experience has been. These accounts demonstrate a very recent “once was” that has continuing repercussions in the life of that country - and ours.