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It is really illogical for anybody to get bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Just let it slide by if do not agree with something that the Priest says or does. That is what I do if I do not agree with something that the Priest says or does.
 
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Priest are humans at the end of day and are not free from error or sin. People can take offence what a priest might say, but if you think about it then sometimes it is not as bad as you might have thought it was.

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Its kind of like coming into this forum and wanting to go by your own rules instead of the forum.

Religious life in general, be it the priesthood or other religious, is all about submitting your own will to that of the Father.

When it comes to the Liturgy, there should be a reasonable attempt on the part of any priest to conform to that which is stated by the Church and bishops conferences and the like. It would be in good spirit to follow these norms.

Are there varying interpretations? Sure. But some go way beyond the bounds of a varying interpretation and end up with a circus on their hands. The Mass then becomes something of entertainment for people and not for worship directed on God.

Would all of the people still come to Mass every Sunday if we eliminated anything of entertainment value for the people? What if it was pretty much the same week to week instead of changing in a way that is pleasing to our senses to desire such change? Would we still come?

The question I ponder is would people come to worship Him unconditionally if all the flare and entertainment suddenly left. After all, who is repsonsible for my attentiveness in worshiping God? It certainly isn’t the priest or some band. I, and I alone am responsible. I personally find it more conducive to finding God in my Mass when it is Traditional in nature, be it Novus Ordo or TLM. There are few distractions so I can detach myself from all that is not Him. In that detachment from the world, I find myself united with the many that have come to worship him that day as well.

Its one thing for someone to be upset about someone’s hands not being exactly at a 45 degree angle in Oran’s Posture. It’s quite another, and very proper for someone to be upset with clowns dancing around the altar with balloons. Trust me, God doesn’t need any more Bozo’s in Church because he has enough of them to work on already.
 
Louis Mazar:
It is really illogical for anybody to get bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Just let it slide by if do not agree with something that the Priest says or does. That is what I do if I do not agree with something that the Priest says or does.
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Backwash. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the most important thing we do here on Earth. It’s not acceptble to simply let it “slide by” if there are things we can do to stop the abuse(s).
 
Lux_et_veritas said:
Trust me, God doesn’t need any more Bozo’s in Church because he has enough of them to work on already.
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Wow. I didn’t realize just how bad this sounded. Sorry, if I offended anyone - too late to edit. I didn’t quite mean it the way it came out.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
Wow. I didn’t realize just how bad this sounded. Sorry, if I offended anyone - too late to edit. I didn’t quite mean it the way it came out.
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:rotfl: I hope everyone will take your last post to heart. I relate, although I have always caught the edit button in time.
 
My concern is not about every tiny thing that Father may do a bit differently. It’s the overall picture that I worry about. Small changes, if done in a rebellious spirit, have a way of becoming big changes. Then they turn into abuse.

Look at the way religious orders, churches and the mass were decimated after Vat2. Those who had a rebellious agenda invoked “the spirit of Vat2” to abandon vows, strip churches bare and turn the holy mass into a free-for-all.

Did this happen everywhere? No. Did it affect the way people view the mass, churches, and worship in the Church? You bet it did! If the small changes had not been seized upon by those with an agenda, we would not have the widespread and egregious abuses that have occured over the past 35-40 years.
 
Louis Mazar:
It is really illogical for anybody to get bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Just let it slide by if do not agree with something that the Priest says or does. That is what I do if I do not agree with something that the Priest says or does.
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Then what would people have to talk about on these forums?
 
“By reason of the knowledge, competence, or pre-eminence which they have, the laity are empowered—indeed sometimes obliged—to manifest their opinion on those things which pertain to the good of the Church. If the occasion should arise, this should be done through the institutions established by the Church for that purpose, and always with truth, courage, and prudence, and with reverence and charity toward those who, by reason of their office, represent the person of Christ. The laity should, as all Christians, promptly accept in Christian obedience decisions of their spiritual shepherds, since they are representatives of Christ as well as teachers and rulers in the Church.”
–Vatican Council II, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, no. 37



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itsjustdave1988 said:
"…* the laity are empowered—indeed sometimes obliged*—to manifest their opinion on those things which pertain to the good of the Church. If the occasion should arise, this should be done through the institutions established by the Church for that purpose, …
–Vatican Council II, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, no. 37​
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I am sure that if you would quote a current document you would find that the CA Forums mentioned somewhere as an appropriate channel.
 
Louis Mazar:
It is really illogical for anybody to get bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over Mass abuses. Just let it slide by if do not agree with something that the Priest says or does. That is what I do if I do not agree with something that the Priest says or does.
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That laizez faire attitude ended with Redemptionis Sacramentum when the late Holy Father, Pope John Paul II bound us to challenge and do all in our power to correct abuses during the Holy Mass.

I quote:
6. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
Code: 
 [183.] In an altogether particular manner, ***let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion*** and that ***all abuses*** be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, ***and all are bound to carry it out*** without any favouritism.
What part of bound do you not understand?
 
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Fergal:
What part of bound do you not understand?
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“Bound” is pretty easy. The word “all that is within their power” is just a little bit more subject to interpretation. Unless one is a bishop, the “power” part is limited. Many, by virtue of tempermant or situation are not as capable of standing against problematic situations as you may be. More power to you and others who God grants this role. I will refrain from judging others from the comfort of a computer terminal.

I think you did a good job of explaining to the original poster where you are coming from, just do not hold some one else to the same situation.
 
Why are you guys getting bent out of shape about what Priests say or do and how Priests conduct the Mass? Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over nothing. Just let is slide by and forget about it. If I do not like something that the Priest says or does or how the Mass is being conducted then I just let it slide by and forget about it. I am not going to harm my health by getting bent out of shape over inconsequential things such as what the Priest says or does or how the Mass is being conducted.
 
Louis Mazar:
Why are you guys getting bent out of shape about what Priests say or do and how Priests conduct the Mass? Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over nothing. Just let is slide by and forget about it. If I do not like something that the Priest says or does or how the Mass is being conducted then I just let it slide by and forget about it. I am not going to harm my health by getting bent out of shape over inconsequential things such as what the Priest says or does or how the Mass is being conducted.
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I get the “gist” of what you’re trying to say, but I really disagree. It’s not about becoming a liturgical watchdog - it’s about loving Christ in the Eucharist and appreciating why He instituted this sacrament. If you love the Eucharist, you will begin to appreciate the importance of a celebration that is reverent and faithful to the liturgical guidelines established to protect it. We can’t be lukewarm about something so vital to the life of the Church, and let abuses “slide,” as if they don’t seriously harm people’s understanding of the Eucharist.

That’s why the Pope John Paul, Pope Benedict (as Cardinal Ratzinger) and many others in the Vatican and all over have been so passionate about ending liturgical abuses. They haven’t said that it would be “nice” if the Mass was celebrated according to the rubrics, they’ve taught that the faithful of the Church have a RIGHT to the Mass celebrated according to the rubrics. That to me doesn’t sound like a call to complacency.
 
I happen to think the Mass is beautiful as written and the norms must be enforced. It’s presumptuous, to say the least, that a renegade few insist that they can “improve” it.
 
EJ79,

But getting bent out of shape over things only causes health problems for the individual getting bent out of shape. So why would anybody in their right mind want to cause health problems for themselves when they can let things slide by and do not get upset over anything?
 
Louis Mazar:
EJ79,

But getting bent out of shape over things only causes health problems for the individual getting bent out of shape. So why would anybody in their right mind want to cause health problems for themselves when they can let things slide by and do not get upset over anything?
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Wouldn’t you safeguard your precious jewels and possessions from disrepair? The Holy Mass is greater than anything else on Earth and must be safeguarded. Frankly, it’s bigger than me, or you, or anyone else. Letting things go, not worrying about abuses is basically saying to Jesus that I don’t really care about Your unbloody Sacrifice that much.
 
Louis Mazar:
Why are you guys getting bent out of shape about what Priests say or do and how Priests conduct the Mass? Life is too short to be getting bent out of shape over nothing. Just let is slide by and forget about it. If I do not like something that the Priest says or does or how the Mass is being conducted then I just let it slide by and forget about it. I am not going to harm my health by getting bent out of shape over inconsequential things such as what the Priest says or does or how the Mass is being conducted.
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Well I would rather get ‘bent out of shape’ this side of heaven.
 
Louis Mazar:
EJ79,

But getting bent out of shape over things only causes health problems for the individual getting bent out of shape. So why would anybody in their right mind want to cause health problems for themselves when they can let things slide by and do not get upset over anything?
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Health problems??? Maybe for a handful of Catholics who really get upset and raise their bloodpressure. Or there might be a few others who are so hurt over the disrespect given our Lord that they fall into depression. For the rest of us, it can’t be any more unhealthy than all of the other thing that we worry about in order to protect our children. 🙂
 
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