Mass being said in Latin

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Right. Not you, not me. Also of course the Latin Mass was formed (innovation) out of what had gone before. The OF was formed from what had gone before. That I happen to prefer the EF doesn’t mean I dislike the OF.

I hate to stick with food examples but it’s like vanilla and chocolate. In my youth I preferred chocolate, as an older person I prefer vanilla, but they’re both good.
 
stpurl said:
I hate to stick with food examples
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So why use them?

And as I said, this issue has no correlation whatsoever.

People pushing the EF and denigrating the OF has no correlation with regards to food. It’s frankly belittling the facts.
 
I’m trying to find where EF adherents belittled the OF in this thread. So far haven’t found. Have seen a few comments about how much ‘better’ people found the OF than the EF but of course THAT isn’t belittling.
 
stpurl said:
I’m trying to find where EF adherents belittled the OF in this thread.
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Margaret_Ann said:
In the 1950s and early 60s, the entire Mass was in Latin and the Church had lots of converts. In 1965, parts of the Mass could be said in English. In 1969-70, the new Mass was approved by Pope Paul VI and people left the Church in droves.
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Maximian said:
The Ordinary Form is associated with its greatest contraction.
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You see it now?
 
Nope. I see people making a comparison. Now I know and you know that correlation does not equal causation, but (and you did ‘Snip’ these and left out some important contextual bits too) the fact is that even if the OF was not cause of a fall off in attendance, it DID take place during that fall. Just as the TLM, even if did not cause a RISE in attendance of the faithful, did in fact occur during the time of the rise.

Plus “associated with’ in Maximian’s ‘snip’ again is a simple statement. The OF is ALSO associated with, among other things, the fall of Communism, the War on Poverty, equal rights, etc. etc.
 
Plus I’m busy and I need to do some knitting but I’m sure if others came on they would find plenty ( I did, but I am still wonky on cut-and paste on an iPad) of remarks about how people were led to the Faith by the OF and were completely turned off the EF etc. Be fair.
 
And you still did not post ‘the whole story’.

Half-truths is your interpretation and loaded language meant to imply people were making deliberate falsehoods and twisting the facts.

I don’t agree. But again, bye now. It’s getting too close to Christmas for my needles to be idle!
 
stpurl said:
God will sort it out!
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I think God already has it sorted out. I think God will say to those passionate about one or other form of the Mass: “I’m just thrilled that you cared enough for me to show up every week!”, regardless of our preference. In heaven, whether we preferred the EF or OF, won’t matter one iota. Whichever form inspires you or I to holiness is the correct form (I vote for OF with Latin/vernacular mix).
 
There’s actually some truth to that but not so much the magicalism that some folks put on Latin or Tridentine Mass.

To be specific Hebrew, Latin, and Greek, are three very efficacious languages against the demonic because they are the three languages proclaiming Christ King of the Jews above our Lord’s head on the Cross.
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Ok, but was it hebrew or aramaic?
 
Actually it depends on the translation… Most say hebrew, some say aramaic.
 
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