Mass. Bishops to oppose adoption by gays

[goofyjim]

I believe it’s getting to be the other way around now. I live in So Cal and many people treat gays much better than they would someone who is divorced or having an affair. I think homosexuals are treated pretty equally especially if they are in a committed relationship and have children. The reasoning behind this mentality: "Homosexuals are born that way they can’t help it."

I have no belief that one is born into a lifestyle, but I could believe there is some genetic component to same sex attraction. I say that because I honestly don’t fit any of the Narth descriptions. My father has always been a good moral figure. I have a very good relationship with him. My SSA started as far back as I can remember. I’ve done my best to resist just the thoughts but have been told by a Lutheran minister one time that even the thoughts can send you to hell. Now, I can’t stay neutral against idiocy like that. While there may be no conclusive proof that they are born homosexual there is no conclusive proof that they aren’t. The mystery is still there.

 

[goofyjim]

RyanL:

Unless you seek an annulment. If it means that much to you, you will.

They also call pyromaniacs to life long restraint, as well as alcoholics, nymphomaniacs (outside of marriage), pedophiles, cleptomaniacs, and anyone else who has an inherent desire to engage in disordered/sinful activity.

I hold my son’s hand - is that against Church teaching?

I love my son and would sit with him in the park thinking how good it is to be with him - is this also against Church teaching? Is there a Catechism reference for this, or are you making things upon the fly?

Nope - it means you’re called to hold something higher than your own personal gratification, and to do so in the context of the family that is the Church. Alone is only self-imposed if you’re a Catholic.

Correction - no homosexual sex.

CCC reference, please?

Sounds like the life of a priest, those holy servants of the faithful…or don’t you want to bear the cross you are given? Is it too tough for the grace of God to sustain you? Is it more sacrafice than God is worth? Let’s not be too hard on the Church here…some of the pain is self-wrought.

God Bless,
RyanL

I can bear the cross of celibacy but not the cross of being accused of being a potential child molester. Just plain stupid thinking to me.

 

[RyanL]

goofyjim:

I can bear the cross of celibacy but not the cross of being accused of being a potential child molester. Just plain stupid thinking to me.

I agree completely.

I will pray that people have minds and hearts open to the plight of those who must bear same sex attraction, as well as to the plight of the priests, who suffer a similar burden. Please join with me in invoking the Holy Spirit’s assistance in this cause.

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[estesbob]

Liberalsaved:

They are giving up the kid. As far as I know they will go to whoever wualifies as good parents.

And yes, I already know that to most of you, “homosexual” automatically means “bad parent”.

Not true. The CPC I counseld for helped PLACE (we should never use the term “give up”) children for adoption. The Mother had a lot of say in the type of couple it could go to. Many opted for open adoptions where they still had contact with their child after they were placed. You could designate, for instance , that you wanted the child to go to a catholic family or that you wanted it to go to a family where the Mother stayed at home. Of course in the latter case there was nothing to stop the Mother from going to work once the adoption was finalized.

As far as homosexual automatically meaning bad parent that is not the point. The point is that you would be placing a child where they would be lacking either a Mother or a Father.These roles are simply not interchageable between the genders. For the same reason, BTW, do not believe single people should be allowed to adopt.

 

[JOHNYJ]

Riley259:

An article in the Boston Globe this morning says that Massachusetts bishops will oppose the adoption by any gay couples. Heretofore, Catholic Charities of Boston had allowed a small number of gay couples to adopt per state policy. This is definitely the right thing to do by the bishops and it should be supported. Unfortunately, there’s many in the Church (including high profile Catholic businessman who sit on Catholic Charities board) who adamantly oppose the bishops on this matter and are very vocal about it. It also puts at risk Catholic Charities ability to continue adoptions due to a violation of a discrimination policy. The bishops need to continue to stand firm and uphold the truth no matter what!

boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/16/bishops_to_oppose_adoption_by_gays/

Stand Firm,uphold the truth ? When will they start. The scandal would never have happened if they had stood by the Gospel.
The bishops of the Catholic church presently have very little ifluence in political matters. Their opinion is not saught by legislators in any matters having to do with children.
It use to be that Gays got the unwanted older children with personalty problems. Than they showed that they could help these children so the type of children they were able to adopt widened.

 

[estesbob]

JOHNYJ:

Stand Firm,uphold the truth ? When will they start. The scandal would never have happened if they had stood by the Gospel.
The bishops of the Catholic church presently have very little ifluence in political matters. Their opinion is not saught by legislators in any matters having to do with children.
It use to be that Gays got the unwanted older children with personalty problems. Than they showed that they could help these children so the type of children they were able to adopt widened.

AMEN, Because they have NOT upheld the truth they ended up with a board made up of Catholics that see nothing wrong with placing children with homosexual couples. Beucase they did not stand up for the truth prominet catholic politicians flaunt the Church’s teachings with NO consequences. Becuase they did not uphold the truh millions of catholics and tens of thousands of clergy were slimed by their coverup of the sins of homosexual priests.

 

[LeahInancsi]

goofyjim:

Suppose an ex-gay and an ex-lesbian were to marry but couldn’t have children of their own. Would they be permitted to adopt?

Ex-gay and ex-Lesbian???

That goofy, Jim.

 

[LeahInancsi]

What’s better for the child?

Abusive heterosexual parents or responsible, loving gay parents?

Because two people are gay doesn’t mean they will make bad parents. In the eyes of the Church they may be sinful, but I doubt you’re going to find any sinless heterosexual parents, either.

 

[estesbob]

LeahInancsi:

What’s better for the child?

Abusive heterosexual parents or responsible, loving gay parents?

Because two people are gay doesn’t mean they will make bad parents. In the eyes of the Church they may be sinful, but I doubt you’re going to find any sinless heterosexual parents, either.

The best thing for the child is a loving heterosexual couple. Regradless of ones view on homosexual behavior a child placed with a homosexual couple will always be either without a mother or a father. It is not fair to them to put them in that situation.

 

[estesbob]

LeahInancsi:

Ex-gay and ex-Lesbian???

That goofy, Jim.

Reminds me a joke. Two homosexual men sitting at a bar when a stunningly beautiful woman walks in. one turns to the other and says “its at times like this i wish i was a lesbian.”

 

[Giannawannabe]

LeahInancsi:

What’s better for the child?

Abusive heterosexual parents or responsible, loving gay parents?

Because two people are gay doesn’t mean they will make bad parents. In the eyes of the Church they may be sinful, but I doubt you’re going to find any sinless heterosexual parents, either.

As an adoptive parent, I must say that I have rarely met “abusive” adoptive parents. I have an extremely large group of friends who have adopted. Typically, an adoptive couple haswaited an eternity to have children, and try very hard to give their adopted kids everything they need including LOTS of love.
This argument is also moot. There are literally thousands of available heterosexual, married couples waiting years and years for a child—I’m not talking just infants. My dh and I have been looking into adopting again from Foster Care—there is a wait even there. The vast majority of Foster Kids are NOT AVAILBLE FOR ADOPTION!!! The utmost task of Child Services is to return kids in Foster Care to their biological parents. I would venture to say that there 10 times the number of heterosexual, married couples waiting to adopt than there are children in this country alone. If you count the European nations it’s an even bigger discrepancy. So, my point is that there is no need to consider homosexual couples as an option. The best things for kids is to have a mom and dad. Most birthmoms want this for their kids—that’s one of the primary reasons they choose adoption, as they want their kids to have a stable home with a mom and a dad. I know for a fact that many homosexual couples adopt in a sneaky way, so that birthmoms are unaware of where their children are going.
I watched an interview with Rosie O’Donnell a few years back. She said that her son had mentioned that he wished he had a father—isn’t that sad??? She told him that if he had a father, then she would not be his mother. How unfair to this kid. Again, I am not at all certain that this boy’s birthmom knew he was being adopted by a lesbian, and then subsequently by her lesbian lover. Money buys a lot, doesn’t it?

 

[estesbob]

Giannawannabe:

As an adoptive parent, I must say that I have rarely met “abusive” adoptive parents. I have an extremely large group of friends who have adopted. Typically, an adoptive couple haswaited an eternity to have children, and try very hard to give their adopted kids everything they need including LOTS of love.
This argument is also moot. There are literally thousands of available heterosexual, married couples waiting years and years for a child—I’m not talking just infants. My dh and I have been looking into adopting again from Foster Care—there is a wait even there. The vast majority of Foster Kids are NOT AVAILBLE FOR ADOPTION!!! The utmost task of Child Services is to return kids in Foster Care to their biological parents. I would venture to say that there 10 times the number of heterosexual, married couples waiting to adopt than there are children in this country alone. If you count the European nations it’s an even bigger discrepancy. So, my point is that there is no need to consider homosexual couples as an option. The best things for kids is to have a mom and dad. Most birthmoms want this for their kids—that’s one of the primary reasons they choose adoption, as they want their kids to have a stable home with a mom and a dad. I know for a fact that many homosexual couples adopt in a sneaky way, so that birthmoms are unaware of where their children are going.
I watched an interview with Rosie O’Donnell a few years back. She said that her son had mentioned that he wished he had a father—isn’t that sad??? She told him that if he had a father, then she would not be his mother. How unfair to this kid. Again, I am not at all certain that this boy’s birthmom knew he was being adopted by a lesbian, and then subsequently by her lesbian lover. Money buys a lot, doesn’t it?

AMEN!

 

[Liberalsaved]

estesbob:

Not true. The CPC I counseld for helped PLACE (we should never use the term “give up”) children for adoption. The Mother had a lot of say in the type of couple it could go to. Many opted for open adoptions where they still had contact with their child after they were placed. You could designate, for instance , that you wanted the child to go to a catholic family or that you wanted it to go to a family where the Mother stayed at home. Of course in the latter case there was nothing to stop the Mother from going to work once the adoption was finalized.

As far as homosexual automatically meaning bad parent that is not the point. The point is that you would be placing a child where they would be lacking either a Mother or a Father.These roles are simply not interchageable between the genders. For the same reason, BTW, do not believe single people should be allowed to adopt.

I beleive single people should be able to adopt, because I don’t see marriage as something I would do, but someday I want to be able to give to another kid who has no home what my adoptive parents gave me. I don’t even know where I’m from exactly, I just know where I was raised, so my choice of words in “giving up” may be biased.

 

[estesbob]

Liberalsaved:

I beleive single people should be able to adopt, because I don’t see marriage as something I would do, but someday I want to be able to give to another kid who has no home what my adoptive parents gave me. I don’t even know where I’m from exactly, I just know where I was raised, so my choice of words in “giving up” may be biased.

It is selfish for a single person to adopt. to fulfill their “needs” there are enying the childe either a Mother or a Father. The needs of the child come first.

 

[Liberalsaved]

estesbob:

Reminds me a joke. Two homosexual men sitting at a bar when a stunningly beautiful woman walks in. one turns to the other and says “its at times like this i wish i was a lesbian.”

Only liberal in the world that smiles at every joke targeting a certain demographic…

 

[Liberalsaved]

estesbob:

It is selfish for a single person to adopt. to fulfill their “needs” there are enying the childe either a Mother or a Father. The needs of the child come first.

While I fill out the paperwork to adopt a kid who could very well have spent their entire formative years without a mother OR a father, I’ll be sure to put on the application that you think I’m being selfish.

 

[estesbob]

Liberalsaved:

While I fill out the paperwork to adopt a kid who could very well have spent their entire formative years without a mother OR a father, I’ll be sure to put on the application that you think I’m being selfish.

There are waitng lists 10 miles long for COUPLES wanting to adopt children. See post 31.

 

[LeahInancsi]

Giannawannabe:

As an adoptive parent, I must say that I have rarely met “abusive” adoptive parents. I have an extremely large group of friends who have adopted. Typically, an adoptive couple haswaited an eternity to have children, and try very hard to give their adopted kids everything they need including LOTS of love.
This argument is also moot. There are literally thousands of available heterosexual, married couples waiting years and years for a child—I’m not talking just infants. My dh and I have been looking into adopting again from Foster Care—there is a wait even there. The vast majority of Foster Kids are NOT AVAILBLE FOR ADOPTION!!! The utmost task of Child Services is to return kids in Foster Care to their biological parents. I would venture to say that there 10 times the number of heterosexual, married couples waiting to adopt than there are children in this country alone. If you count the European nations it’s an even bigger discrepancy. So, my point is that there is no need to consider homosexual couples as an option. The best things for kids is to have a mom and dad. Most birthmoms want this for their kids—that’s one of the primary reasons they choose adoption, as they want their kids to have a stable home with a mom and a dad. I know for a fact that many homosexual couples adopt in a sneaky way, so that birthmoms are unaware of where their children are going.
I watched an interview with Rosie O’Donnell a few years back. She said that her son had mentioned that he wished he had a father—isn’t that sad??? She told him that if he had a father, then she would not be his mother. How unfair to this kid. Again, I am not at all certain that this boy’s birthmom knew he was being adopted by a lesbian, and then subsequently by her lesbian lover. Money buys a lot, doesn’t it?

It wasn’t meant to be an “argument”.

I know a gay couple who adopted a little boy. The mother of this child was a white prostitute who didn’t know who the father of the was or even what color he was. They too this baby as a newborn sight unseen.

How many heterosexual couples would do that?

This little boy is five years old now and as bright and normal as any child raised by a heterosexual couple. His “fathers” have gone to great strides to make sure the little boy has both grandmothers and female friends for female influences.

 

[LeahInancsi]

estesbob:

The best thing for the child is a loving heterosexual couple. Regradless of ones view on homosexual behavior a child placed with a homosexual couple will always be either without a mother or a father. It is not fair to them to put them in that situation.

I wish someone had told my father when he left that it wasn’t fair to me to be raised by one parent.

My mother did an excellent job. Not having a father around didn’t hurt as much as the fact that he didn’t want me.

 

[estesbob]

LeahInancsi:

It wasn’t meant to be an “argument”.

I know a gay couple who adopted a little boy. The mother of this child was a white prostitute who didn’t know who the father of the was or even what color he was. They too this baby as a newborn sight unseen.

How many heterosexual couples would do that?

.

Thousands and thousands and thousands