Mass. Catholic Charities to Be Required to Support Homosexual Adoption

[frommi]

bones_IV:

Are you trivializing the deaths of 40 million plus dead babies? Sure sounds like it from the tone of your post. You can’t be both catholic and pro-gay.

I’m not trivializing anything…just saying that the holocaust was the holocaust…find other terminology for abortion, war, the plague…whatever. The holocaust was a uniquely Jewish event and needs to stay that way out of respect for what occurred.

I would disagree that you can’t be Catholic and “pro-gay”…I’d hardly describe the Catholic church as anti-gay.

I’d also say you should really leave it to me to decide what I can and can’t be.

 

[Jeffrey]

Progay is part of the Culture of Death… you cannot be for or part of the Culture of Death and be a Catholic/Christian.

frommi:

I’m not trivializing anything…just saying that the holocaust was the holocaust…find other terminology for abortion, war, the plague…whatever. The holocaust was a uniquely Jewish event and needs to stay that way out of respect for what occurred.

I would disagree that you can’t be Catholic and “pro-gay”…I’d hardly describe the Catholic church as anti-gay.

I’d also say you should really leave it to me to decide what I can and can’t be.

 

[bones_IV]

frommi:

I’m not trivializing anything…just saying that the holocaust was the holocaust…find other terminology for abortion, war, the plague…whatever. The holocaust was a uniquely Jewish event and needs to stay that way out of respect for what occurred.

I would disagree that you can’t be Catholic and “pro-gay”…I’d hardly describe the Catholic church as anti-gay.

I’d also say you should really leave it to me to decide what I can and can’t be.

Not trivializing anything? That’s a flat out denial if I ever saw one. If you have issues with what the Church says that’s your business. Judie Brown said this, “Abortion is the hidden Holocaust”. If you have issues with this, it’s your refusal to recognize abortion as a humans right violation.

 

[frommi]

bones_IV:

Not trivializing anything? That’s a flat out denial if I ever saw one. If you have issues with what the Church says that’s your business. Judie Brown said this, “Abortion is the hidden Holocaust”. If you have issues with this, it’s your refusal to recognize abortion as a humans right violation.

Who’s Judie Brown?

There are lots of human rights violations…but there was only one holocaust

 

[bones_IV]

frommi:

Who’s Judie Brown?

There are lots of human rights violations…but there was only one holocaust

The leader of ALL.

www.all.org

Even Mother Angelica said abortion was modern holocaust.

Only one holocaust? Are you sure? Tell that to Jimmy Akin.

Link

You my friend suffer from a severe case of blindness.

 

[Kendy]

frommi:

They certainly have that right, but you do have to consider if its worth stopping the adoptions that do fall within the boundaries of appropriateness.

The reality is that Mass. recognizes gay marriage. Therefore those couples have the same rights and privileges, including adoption of children.

It is what it is for now.

I see no reason why we couldn’t engage in a bit of civil disobedience. I think it is warranted.

Kendy

 

[frommi]

bones_IV:

The leader of ALL.

www.all.org

Even Mother Angelica said abortion was modern holocaust.

Only one holocaust? Are you sure? Tell that to Jimmy Akin.

Link

You my friend suffer from a severe case of blindness.

Not really…I’m not blind…

And Mother Angelica saying something to be true pretty much spins me to the other end of the spectrum in a hurry.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

Kendy:

I see no reason why we couldn’t engage in a bit of civil disobedience. I think it is warranted.

Kendy

Most definitely. They accuse us of trying to force our morality on them, but they have no qualms about forcing their immorality on us. Time to take a stand against them.

PF

 

[Illini]

frommi:

Not really…I’m not blind…

And Mother Angelica saying something to be true pretty much spins me to the other end of the spectrum in a hurry.

This conversation just got more interesting . . .

-Illini

 

[frommi]

WanderAimlessly:

Most definitely. They accuse us of trying to force our morality on them, but they have no qualms about forcing their immorality on us. Time to take a stand against them.

PF

Did you ever stop to think this might not have to be an ‘us against them’ kind of thing?

 

[WanderAimlessly]

frommi:

Did you ever stop to think this might not have to be an ‘us against them’ kind of thing?

Nope. The secular relativists want to rid society of religions that are a threat to their power. It is “us against them”.

PF

 

[frommi]

WanderAimlessly:

Nope. The secular relativists want to rid society of religions that are a threat to their power. It is “us against them”.

PF

Not buyin it…that would presume that anyone who is gay is a ‘secular relativist’…it’s a blanket term used to mischaracterize a debate

 

[davy39]

cathgal:

I say throw the funds back in their face and let them handle the biz! The Church will not be a participant in this gravely immoral practice!

Maybe it’s time that the church gets out of the college/hospital/adoption/schooling business. In time, all the church institutions will be forced by the government to do things contrary to church law. If the state and federal governments think they can do a better job, let them.

 

[fix]

frommi:

Not buyin it…that would presume that anyone who is gay is a ‘secular relativist’…it’s a blanket term used to mischaracterize a debate

Is not the authentic mischarecterization to use the term “gay” to cover up what the acts really are? It is one thing for someone to suffer from same sex attraction, it is something all together different to take up the political term “gay”.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

davy39:

Maybe it’s time that the church gets out of the college/hospital/adoption/schooling business. In time, all the church institutions will be forced by the government to do things contrary to church law. If the state and federal governments think they can do a better job, let them.

No. We must just ignore them. They do not control the Church. If this means going to jail, so be it.

PF

 

[WanderAimlessly]

frommi:

Not buyin it…that would presume that anyone who is gay is a ‘secular relativist’…it’s a blanket term used to mischaracterize a debate

It is not just the “gay” community that is forcing this on us. It is the government and the judicial activists.

PF

 

[Kendy]

frommi:

Did you ever stop to think this might not have to be an ‘us against them’ kind of thing?

I don’t think it should be so much us vs them, but as Christian we are called to do good works. We can’t drop out of the adoption agency nor can we sit around passively while children are placed in homosexual homes. Thus, we must resist.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

davy39:

Maybe it’s time that the church gets out of the college/hospital/adoption/schooling business. In time, all the church institutions will be forced by the government to do things contrary to church law. If the state and federal governments think they can do a better job, let them.

That’s ridiculous. It is our duty as Christians to do these things. I can’t imagine a world without a place for children to get a catholic education and where there is no catholic hospital. We should not even consider getting out of business.

Kendy

 

[bones_IV]

frommi:

Not buyin it…that would presume that anyone who is gay is a ‘secular relativist’…it’s a blanket term used to mischaracterize a debate

No it isn’t. This is just your way of changing the subject.

From the Webster’s dictionary "secularism - indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations.

relativist -a view that ethical truths depend on the individuals and groups holding them".

gay – one who embraces the gay culture.

 

[Cactus]

If we don’t take state money we can do it our way. If our Catholic social agencies upheld the teachings of the Church, perhaps they would see God’s people coming to their financial assistance in a more substantive way.