I guarantee you, if I convinced 50 people I was a medium, then gathered them in a room, turned the light down, and said… can you feel that? Can you feel that presence?.. every one of them would say they felt something
There is no comparing the two. And those 50 people would be convinced of nothing, other than the fact that you turned the light down. Were you just joking around?Sarah x
Nope.
So?
Those folks that were there seem to disagree with you. Who is more inclined to know, with certainty: you, me or actual eyewitnesses of the event? Of course I undertand why you are taking the stance you are taking…
Examples, with trustworthy sources?Nope.
Just look at all these people that go to mediums and swear they’ve felt stuff, a presence, spoke to dead relatives and all that stuff. To them, it’s totally real.
Utterly deluded of course.
Sarah x
Gosh, Sarah, either you have very gullible and ignorant friends, or you have a very low opinion of humanity. You are SO sure (and we must take this on your unsupported word based on your telling us so) that just because you dimmed the lights and ‘claimed to feel something’ that EVERYBODY there who had been hoodwinked by you would say they felt it too?Well of course they would. Just like those at my medium session would swear they really felt a presence
The simple fact is not even the Vatican Obseratory noted anything unusual.
What people witnessed, if they witnessed anything, was an ordinary, natural event, perhaps some localized atmospheric event, as I linked to in a previous thread on this issue.
Nothing supernatural that’s for sure.
Sarah x
and surprise, they actually saw something even if it would have been in their vested interest to not see anything at all.I find it interesting that God chose not to allow this event to be verified by the very people in His own Vatican with the scientific training and skills and equipment to do so.So?
Well, me of course
Go look up these tv goofs if you’re really interested.Examples, with trustworthy sources?
Every apparition, miracle or vision approved by the catholic church, e.g. Padre Pio, Bernadette Soubirous…etc…Oh a thought has just popped into my head seeing as I mentioned the Vatican’s Observatory. What if any miracles are associated with the Vatican itself?
Sarah x
Take care Sarah…Go look up these tv goofs if you’re really interested.
I’m not doing your homework for you.
Sarah x
Maybe you misread me, I was giving that as an ‘if’ Ive never done this and my friends would never fall for such nonsense. Others do though all the time, in the millions, just look at the following people like Syliva Brown has.
Well, now you mention it, I am quiteYou must be quite the hit at parties. . .
They saw a perfectly normal atmospheric event. Nothing more. Nothing less. The vibe at the event, the numbers, and the expectations of the crowd filled in the gaps.
You certainly can spin the cliches I will grant you, .I find it interesting that God chose not to allow this event to be verified by the very people in His own Vatican with the scientific training and skills and equipment to do so.
Well, me of course
I’m not prone to delusions, live in the real world, call a spade a spade, not easily fooled and don’t folllow the crowd.
Sarah x
I suppose it is true: “For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.”Gosh, Sarah, either you have very gullible and ignorant friends, or you have a very low opinion of humanity. You are SO sure (and we must take this on your unsupported word based on your telling us so) that just because you dimmed the lights and ‘claimed to feel something’ that EVERYBODY there who had been hoodwinked by you would say they felt it too?
You must be quite the hit at parties. . .
Also you’re attempting to compare apples and oranges.
YOUR ‘50’ people had already been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘convinced’ that you could actually do something which you, in reality, could not do. You’re like the person who goes around telling a bunch of people that you are a wine steward and bringing them some wine from the choicest vineyards while you secretly serve some Ripple and chortle over how powerful you are. . .
But the miracle at Fatima was not witnessed by your ‘50’ --not witnessed ONLY by those who as believers would be ‘prone’ to accept a miracle. It was witnessed by people who were unbelievers, skeptics. . .it was witnessed by people like you!
Kind of a big difference.
Padre Pio I’ve referenced before, and do not find the claims remotely credible.Every apparition, miracle or vision approved by the catholic church, e.g. Padre Pio, Bernadette Soubirous…etc…
Two words (after this):Maybe you misread me, I was giving that as an ‘if’ Ive never done this and my friends would never fall for such nonsense. Others do though all the time, in the millions, just look at the following people like Syliva Brown has.
Well, now you mention it, I am quite
I have this special dance routine I … oh well, never mind
They saw a perfectly normal atmospheric event. Nothing more. Nothing less. The vibe at the event, the numbers, and the expectations of the crowd filled in the gaps.
That’s all.
Sarah x
I doubt that.
Great question.
Been offered as an explanation here previously.
:hug1:hi Sarah
What is your fixation with 'the Vatican"?Padre Pio I’ve referenced before, and do not find the claims remotely credible.
Bernadette Soubirous I’ll have to look up.
But these are not associated directly with the Vatican are they?
What I was asking is, are there any miracles associated directly with the Vatican itself?
Sarah x
I don’t want anyone to take my word for anything.
I suppose if thousands of eyewitnesses which included big-time doubters, (including those quotes I provided in a previous post) is not proof enough, then we are really just spinning our wheels…
It is an interesting topic though…