Mass Dress Code

[pianistclare]

I read it the way Ryan Black read it.

Just sayin’.

And no one still has taken my idea of a “modesty ministry” to their pastor or parish council this week, huh?

Cheesey, quit hogging the popcorn.

This thread has become the best I’ve read all day. Sublume. Srsly.

God bless, Miserissima

Love you Rose, but really, quit with the disingenuous “blessing” already.

And pass the popcorn ladies…
Why isn’t this thread dead yet?
I thought we decided to end it pages ago.

 

[mlz]

It is good to understand, teach and guide others but not to condemm.

My love in Him,
mlz.

 

[felsguy]

In case anybody is running out of snappy comebacks in this little spat, feel free to use one of these:

1. nah nah, nah nah
2. so’s your old man
3. neener, neener
4. I know you are but what am I
5. my dad can beat up your dad
6. your mother wears combat boots…to Mass (an updated version of a pre-Vatican II favorite)

 

[Alex1221]

Needed a line in there for the guys: it would be nice if your pants actually came up over your bum.

Good advice. I wonder how it was received?

Ya, and also so that the bottom of girl’s pants actually go under the knees. Shorts are improper and short shorts even more so…sigh our society…

 

[RyanBlack]

RyanBlack;12105716:

I’ve called no one rude and I’ve made no comments about Jesus being thrown out of church. I did not say you did.

I too simply stated an opinion with no ill intent towards others, yet you are judging me No, you are the one making false accusations and I am defending myself and others against them. are you not?

I really don’t know whether or not Memaw is being judgmental about those persons who wear jeans to Mass, Yet you have stated that you have the right to have an opinion that to tell people that jeans are not proper attire to wear to Mass is JUDGEMENTAL post # 121

which is why I stated that what she said about jeans comes across as being judgmental. However, in light of Holy Scripture states in James 2, I believe that we are in very dangerous territory when we make judgments about what others wear to church, Does this apply to the priest’s gentle reminders on proper etiquette and church attire in post #1?

particularly in cases when we don’t know the person, what clothing they own, the resources they have for buying more clothes, and whether or not they actually believe that clothing worn to Church has anything to do with one’s reverence towards God (many people make no such connection). For crying out loud, I WEAR JEANS TO DAILY MASS and in no way have I perceived Memaw’s posts to be judgemental towards me or anyone else simply for stating her opinion of what is proper. Some people would really appreciate knowing what proper attire is.

Finally, I find it to be highly offensive that any statements I’ve made in this thread are being compared with Jesus being falsely accused and condemned. Such an analogy is absurd. Falsely accusing others and misrepresenting their words is highly offensive. /quote]

 

[RyanBlack]

RyanBlack;12105716:

I’ve called no one rude and I’ve made no comments about Jesus being thrown out of church. I did not say you did.

I too simply stated an opinion with no ill intent towards others, yet you are judging me No, you are the one making false accusations and I am defending myself and others against them. are you not?

I really don’t know whether or not Memaw is being judgmental about those persons who wear jeans to Mass, Yet you have stated that you have the right to have an opinion that to tell people that jeans are not proper attire to wear to Mass is JUDGEMENTAL post # 121

which is why I stated that what she said about jeans comes across as being judgmental. However, in light of Holy Scripture states in James 2, I believe that we are in very dangerous territory when we make judgments about what others wear to church, Does this apply to the priest’s gentle reminders on proper etiquette and church attire in post #1?

particularly in cases when we don’t know the person, what clothing they own, the resources they have for buying more clothes, and whether or not they actually believe that clothing worn to Church has anything to do with one’s reverence towards God (many people make no such connection). For crying out loud, I WEAR JEANS TO DAILY MASS and in no way have I perceived Memaw’s posts to be judgemental towards me or anyone else simply for stating her opinion of what is proper. Some people would really appreciate knowing what proper attire is.

Finally, I find it to be highly offensive that any statements I’ve made in this thread are being compared with Jesus being falsely accused and condemned. Such an analogy is absurd. Falsely accusing others and misrepresenting their words is highly offensive. /quote]

I have made no false accusations, neither have I misrepresented anyone’s words in this thread. Both false accusations and misrepresentation involve intent to deceive or purposeful mischaracterization. It is certainly possible that I have misunderstood or misinterpreted someone’s words or someone’s intent, but I most certainly have not accused anyone of something I did not truly believe they did, nor have I purposefully mischaracterized anything anyone has written in this thread.

 

[zab]

 

[ProVobis]

Love you Rose, but really, quit with the disingenuous “blessing” already.

And pass the popcorn ladies…
Why isn’t this thread dead yet?
I thought we decided to end it pages ago.

It wouldn’t be that many pages if you set your options to 100 posts per page.

Just sayin…

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

And I find it highly offensive that you have stated that you are highly offended by your misrepresentation of what I wrote.
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He isn’t the only one who has found what the other poster has said as being. Rude and judgmental. While it is nice that you want to defend them…it seems like they are the only one allowed to have an opinion and yet when we state ours…it’s yet another post about Fatima (misquoted) or that Jesus is offended by our dress. And yet when when their own words are quoted back, it doesn’t seem to matter.

As I have stated before…it’s a perception problem. They perceive one thing, several of us perceive another. Now what I can’t figure out is why this person thinks their perception. Is right but ours is wrong?

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Where did I say one can’t wear jeans to Mass?? I did say tight fitting jeans or any kind of tight fitting clothing. What post?? I personally don’t, but that’s “my opinion.” Others seem to be worried about the jeans thing. WHY??? God Bless, Memaw

So in post #37…you were responding back to me-which you quoted. In my quoted part I was replying to your post about Fatima and stating that she was probably talking about the low cut immodest dressing and not jeans. You then said jeans were not fitting attire for a Holy place.

Not all jeans are tight fitting. You did state that all jeans seems to be tight fitting - which they are not. Also another poster was talking against immodest clothing but then went on to say clean modest jeans and a t-shirt were fine. Your response to that was that the Vatican had a strict dress code so that should tell us something. Not a big leap to make.

I even quote your posts—in the entirety and gave you a chance by asking if you meant something else. Now you accuse me of taking those words out
Of context. You had a chance to respond to that but instead you just asked me “what my problem was”-(which is insulting and rude).

Yes, we can ALL have an opinion. But that means all of us…not just those that you agree with. Later on when a poster says that God doesn’t turn away based off of clothing you don’t allow them there opinion but start quoting Fatima again. It works both ways.

Why is it such a big deal and why don’t I just leave it alone? Well all your replies to me for one thing that dance around what I’ve asked you.

But I have seen too many people in Catholics Can Come Home that left because of a harsh look someone have them or because someone said something judgmental to them. Heck…I myself won’t attend a TLM because I’ve read threads about skirts being the only proper attire for women there. Well I don’t own any and I sure as heck ain’t going out to buy one just for that. I don’t want to go only to be looked down on. I do that at myself enough-I sure as heck don’t need others doing it…,

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Consider this before we judge on dress.

First, our judgment on what is appropriate may or may not be appropriate. If we are too scrupulous on this, then we need to change. If we are correct that something is appropriate…

Second, the person may or may not have been able to dress better. If they are poor, traveling and away from better clothes, on the way to work, then they should be applauded for their courage of coming to Mass the best they can. However, it is possible that some people really do not understand what Mass is, or have a proper sense of modesty. Even then…

Third, we must consider that we are all on a spiritual journey. One woman’s lack of modest, or one man’s lack of faith in the miracle of the Mass, or any sin that we take into the sanctuary, is not for us to judge. Early, we confess our sinfulness publically and before we receive the Holy Sacrament we openly admit, " Lord, I am not worthy that you should come under my roof." Even taking the worse case scenario of dress indicating some sin, which it might well do in some cases, our reaction should be the same as it is to any of our other *fellow *sinners, love and acceptance. I assure you, there are far worse sins in the hearts that we cannot see than that shorts hem or that AC/DC tee shirt.

Well said!

We also commit a bigger sin if we allow it to distract us or make zingers about them-even if it’s just in our head. We should be praying for them and for ourselves to see things clearly. We must always leave an open mind that maybe we aren’t as right as we think we are or know as much about it as we think we do.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Thrift stores are a wonderful place to get nice, respectful clothes very low priced. Maybe a little help for her from someone would be the thing to do. God Bless, Memaw

Yes, you can get some nice things from thrift stores but sometimes you really have to search and not everyone has the time for that. I’m a very curvy woman-finding jeans, slacks, or causal pants at a reasonable price in a department store that stocks all sizes is difficult, challenging and discouraging enough. It’s downright impossible in a thrift store. Also some people (not saying anyone here) look down on people if it isn’t the latest fashion. I however once was able to find a very nice rosary at a consignment store for $12. I looked it up online later…new they are $195!

 

[zab]

Cheesey, quit hogging the popcorn.

This thread has become the best I’ve read all day. Sublume. Srsly.

God bless, Miserissima

Love you Rose, but really, quit with the disingenuous “blessing” already.

And pass the popcorn ladies…
Why isn’t this thread dead yet?
I thought we decided to end it pages ago.

Here you go, ladies. Enjoy! I’ve had enough.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

OH so your worried more about “people like me” judging you, Isn’t that being distracted? How do you know they are being distracted? Isn’t that a bit judgmental? Again, I didn’t bring up the jeans issue, you did. God Bless, Memaw

Yes…,it is being distracted…but if you serve long enough you hear judgmental comments about something. But since I suffer from PTSD and sometimes will have flashbacks during Mass…I’ve learned that there are worse things to be distracted by.

You did bring up the jeans issue which you said that jeans were not fitting attire for a Holy place. But I do have to apologize to you as I thought it was you who said they were tired of seeing people in jeans and shorts approach the altar…but it was not you…it was the original poster.

 

[Marie5890]

Since everyone has made it clear as to their personal opinion on the topic, and no one is likely to change their personal opinion, Im going to bow out of this thread by wishing everyone a peaceful Sunday.

In Christ

 

[severus68]

He isn’t the only one who has found what the other poster has said as being. Rude and judgmental. While it is nice that you want to defend them…it seems like they are the only one allowed to have an opinion and yet when we state ours…it’s yet another post about Fatima (misquoted) or that Jesus is offended by our dress. And yet when when their own words are quoted back, it doesn’t seem to matter.

As I have stated before…it’s a perception problem. They perceive one thing, several of us perceive another. Now what I can’t figure out is why this person thinks their perception. Is right but ours is wrong?

Well said and I agree. Thank you too on Fatima. I am sure Our Lady had real and bigger problems in the world to speak off than fashion.

 

[Gordon_Sims]

There have been several times in my adult life when I truly didn’t have the money to go to even the thrift store and buy myself a pair of dress slacks. There were long stretches where the only clothes I owned that fit me were a single pair of jeans and a single pair of shorts. I wasn’t going to avoid Mass simply because the only clothes I owned didn’t measure up to someone else’s standards. As long as someone’s outfit isn’t a near occasion of sin, I tend not to worry about how others dress at Mass.

 

[Memaw]

It is good to understand, teach and guide others but not to condemm.

My love in Him,
mlz.

I have never used that word against anyone, As I said before I am talking about the jeans, not the person wearing them, and it is my own opinion. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

Well said and I agree. Thank you too on Fatima. I am sure Our Lady had real and bigger problems in the world to speak off than fashion.

Read up on Fatima and see for yourself. She actually said it and denying it won’t change her words.If you don’t think certain fashions have become a problem, take a walk along most any beach or just about any street in the US. Watch TV for a day. Go to a movie. Better yet, go to www.wafusa.org and get all the information on Fatima. That’s the World Apostolate of Fatima, USA God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

He isn’t the only one who has found what the other poster has said as being. Rude and judgmental. While it is nice that you want to defend them…it seems like they are the only one allowed to have an opinion and yet when we state ours…it’s yet another post about Fatima (misquoted) or that Jesus is offended by our dress. And yet when when their own words are quoted back, it doesn’t seem to matter.

As I have stated before…it’s a perception problem. They perceive one thing, several of us perceive another. Now what I can’t figure out is why this person thinks their perception. Is right but ours is wrong?

Your words and accusations speak for themselves. God Bless, Memaw