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At every Mass the Christian has a new opportunity to worship God with this one perfect sacrifice and to ``absorb’’ more of Christ’s saving and sanctifying grace of Calvary. This grace is infinite, and the Christian should continuously grow in this grace until his death. The reason the Mass is offered again and again is not from any imperfection in Christ, but from our imperfect capacity to receive.

How then is it perfect, if we are unable to recieve his sacrifice completely his gift is far from sufficient.Did not Christ die to restore are relationship with the father so we would not be seperated by sin, however if on are part we are unable to fully recieve this gift, Christs blood did not wash away all are sins because some how we are resistant because are sin is to great for the perfect lamb of God to wash away with his blood.
 
His grace is certainly sufficient and His blood does wash away the sins of the world. Patience, patience. We’re not yet perfect, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be by the time we reach heaven. Mass is a foretaste of heaven on earth, but few of us on earth are completely ready for heaven yet.
 
How then is it perfect, if we are unable to recieve his sacrifice completely his gift is far from sufficient.Did not Christ die to restore are relationship with the father so we would not be seperated by sin, however if on are part we are unable to fully recieve this gift, Christs blood did not wash away all are sins because some how we are resistant because are sin is to great for the perfect lamb of God to wash away with his blood.
You might as well ask why Jesus bothered to die on the cross, since even after He paid the price for our sins, we still go on sinning. The answer is that we have free will, and that’s the one thing that hinders God. Since He gave us free will, He can’t do a thing with us unless we let Him. God could make us love Him and surrender to Him, but He wants us to turn to Him of our own free will. Love can never be coerced.

The Mass is the sacrifice of Calvary. At Mass, we are literally at the foot of the cross. The Mass is a memorial of our redemption, it is an application of the fruits of Christ’s passion, and it is a union of the Church with His sacrifice (CCC at 1366-1370). One Holy Communion should be enough to make us saints. (I wish I could remember which saint said that.) If it doesn’t, the fault lies not with God, but with us.
 
Then it is exactly like the offerings made under the law, if they kept the law they were saved, if they broke it they could offer a sacrifice and be made right with God.Then there was no point in christ coming at all because he achieved nothing the law had not achieved.Christ’s sacrifice was a perfect sacrifice for all sins and when the Father looks at us through the blood of christ, he sees no sin. God knew we could never live a sin free life because he knows the human heart, that is why he gave us his son to return are relationship with him, sin seperates us from God, if God looked at us as sinners after we had excepted his sacrifice on our behalf his goal has not been achieved because we would still be seperated.
 
Then it is exactly like the offerings made under the law, if they kept the law they were saved, if they broke it they could offer a sacrifice and be made right with God.Then there was no point in christ coming at all because he achieved nothing the law had not achieved.
Those sacrifices where simply a foreshadowing of Jesus’ sacrifice at Calvary. Without Jesus fulfilling His sacrifice, those earlier sacrifices would mean nothing.
Christ’s sacrifice was a perfect sacrifice for all sins and when the Father looks at us through the blood of christ, he sees no sin. God knew we could never live a sin free life because he knows the human heart, that is why he gave us his son to return are relationship with him, sin seperates us from God, if God looked at us as sinners after we had excepted his sacrifice on our behalf his goal has not been achieved because we would still be seperated.
Is there a Bible passage that really says what I highlighted in red? I don’t think there is, but I could be wrong. That phrase (which I’ve heard before in Protestant churches) makes me picture God wearing a kind of rose colored glasses covered in Jesus’ blood so He doesn’t see our sins that are there. I disagree with that idea. I think God doesn’t merely just overlook our sins; Jesus really takes away our sin. He transforms sin into an opportunity for grace, and then He takes the sin away, leaving only the grace. There’s a huge difference between overlooking sin and taking away sin.

I’ll try a different explaination to why we repeatedly attend Mass. At Mass, all the graces won by Jesus on the Cross are available to us for the taking. We can take as much as we can hold. I picture it as though spiritual jewels and gold were laid out for the taking. God allows us to carry out as much as we can. But we often approach Mass with our hearts full of other things besides spiritual matters and our minds filled with other thoughts besides God, so as much as we hold other things we don’t hold all the grace that He makes available at Mass.

Even if we have pure hearts and minds, we may not be as spiritually strong as God wants us to be. At each Mass, God fills us with His grace–as much as we can carry–which we take with us as we live our lives in grace. The grace we take with us should bear fruit and bring blessings to the world around us. As we live our Christian lives, we get a little spiritually stronger, so the next time we might carry a bit more grace. We do that repeatedly throughout our lifetime, so we grow in love and grace.
 
when the Father looks at us through the blood of christ, he sees no sin… if God looked at us as sinners after we had excepted his sacrifice on our behalf his goal has not been achieved because we would still be seperated.
That is one of the many errors of Protestantism. It flows from Luther’s denial of free will.

Luther: "It is either God or the devil that rules; man has no freedom of choice and is absolutely devoid of responsibility for his acts. (Martin Luther, Enslavement of the will).

Since Luther believed that man did not have free will, and was therefore no responsible for his acts, he drew the conclusion (based on that error), that man must be justified by faith “alone”. The “alone” part was intended to exclude anything that pertained to the will - such as good works and sin.

He said good works were completely unecessary - not just for our initial justification, but even for our sanctification and final salvation. And he said that sin, since we have no control over our actions would not separate us from God:

Luther: "God only obliges you to believe and to confess (the faith). In all other things He leaves you free, Lord and master to do whatever you will without any danger to your conscience; on the contrary, it is certain that, as far as He is concerned, it makes no difference whether you leave your wife, flee from your lord, or are unfaithful to every obligation. What is it to Him if you do or do not do such things? (Werke XXI p. 131) “During this life we have to sin. It is sufficient that, by the mercy of God, we know the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world. Sin will not separate us from Him, even though we were to commit a thousand murders and a thousand adulteries per day” (Franca, 9.439). “The husband may drive away his wife; God cares not. Let Vashti go and take an Esther, as did the king of Ahasuerus” (Wittenb. V, 123).

The theology you reference in your post - that Jesus’ blood covers us over, and that God only sees Jesus’ blood when he looks upon us - is founded on a denail of the forgivness of sins.

This is what is known as the “covering” of sins. God does not forgive sins, according to Luther, but merely covers them over “like snow covering a dunghill” is his famous example.

Luther: “The Almighty does not regard the sins of men, he covers them over with the merits of Christ” (Walch XIII. 1480).

The truth is quite different. Jesus does indeed forgive our sins, not just cover them over, as the Bible teaches - “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

This Luther denied. And made up the teaching that God simply covers over our sins, and when He looks upon us, He only sees the blood of Jesus.
This is where “once saved always saved” comes from. If you simply accept Jesus as your personal savior (a doctrine which is nowhere to be found in the Bible), your sins are no longer seen by God. And, since your sins are no longer seen by God, you no longer have to keep the ten commandments. “Keep the law, by all means”, Luther said, “but if you do not, you need not be troubled in your conscience, for the transgression of the law cannot possibly condemn you” (M. Luther, Wittenb. V. 304). “Thus let a Christian understand that it matter not whether he keeps it (the Decalogue) or not; yea, he may do what is forbidden and leave undone what is commanded, for neither is a sin” (M. Luther, W. XI, 447). If anyone said keeping the commandments was necessary, he was an enemy of Martin Luther. And, since Moses was the person who God chose to give us the ten commandments, Martin Luther hated Moses. *“I will not have Moses with his law, for he is the enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ…” (Tischr. L.C.12.S.17). *He referred to Moses as someone who should be looked upon “with suspicion as the worst heretic, as a damned and excommunicated person; yea, worse than the Pope and the devil” Jena. 4,98.6). “No greater insult can be offered to Christ”, concluded Luther, “than to suppose that He has come to give Commandments, to make a sort of Moses of Him” (Martin Luther Tischr. S. 66) What did Jesus say when asked what one must do to attain eternal life? (Mt 19:16) “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments” (Jesus, Mt 19:17)

Don’t fall into the errors of the arch-heretic Martin Luther. Even he did not truly believe his own lies.

Luther: “There is no religion in the world that teaches this doctrine of justification [ie faith alone]: I myself, although I teach it publicly, have a great difficulty believing it privately” (Werke, XXV, p. 330).
 
The Catholic would see it as being in the state to recieve Jesus at Mass means that at the time period we would go to Heaven.
Catholics see our relationship with God as an exchange of Love.

If we willfully reject Jesus lets say a week later by cursing His name and professing a loyalty to self pleasure. Then we have rejected His perfect sacrifice.

God gives us what we want, if we want to not submit to God He will grant that and give us what we want, separation from Him.
Why would God reject our free will, He loves us so much that even if we say we hate Him and hurt Him, He will lovingly allow us to do our will and be separated from Him.

A God who rejects our free will then ignores love and then just chooses who He wants regardless of justice or truth. A Catholic must believe in a God who allows us to turn to Him and turn away as love allows choice.
I do not force my wife to love me or even force her sleep in the same bed with me, that is not love.

So Mass is the continual profession of our Love of God which unites us to His one Sacrifice for us. We cannot offer anything back to God, except accept His eternal Sacrifice for us and offer that back to God in our profession of Love of God.
But we must do it willingly or else it means that God doesn’t really care if we love Him.

God Bless
Scylla

(If I made any misrepresentations in my presentation feel free to correct me.)
 
a perfect sacrifice for all sins and when the Father looks at us through the blood of christ, he sees no sin. God knew we could never live a sin free life because he knows the human heart, that is why he gave us his son to return are relationship with him, sin seperates us from God, if God looked at us as sinners after we had excepted his sacrifice on our behalf his goal has not been achieved because we would still be seperated.
When I was in high school I took a drivers ed class. One day we did a little experiment. We put on some glasses that distorted our view of everything and then we tried to walk a straight line. That is what your view of God sounds like. God puts on the glasses which are Christs blood and He can no longer see our sins. God no longer sees the truth.

The way it actually is though is that God sent Christ that He would bring Grace to the world. He would also make our sacrifice meaningful. We do what we can and then Christ perfects it Christ makes us perfect through our will. We do what we can and when we can’t do it we beg for the help of the grace of Christ that we may be able to do it.
 
Mary led a sin free life.

I am not sure I follow the OP’s thought process here. :confused:
 
When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. Numerous passages of Scripture declare this fact. (a) Romans 8:30 declares, “And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.” This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 “Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away. (d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be “un-indwelt” and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will “have eternal life.” If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never “eternal” at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error. (f) For the most conclusive argument, I think Scripture says it best itself, “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
 
Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
So then, it doesn’t matter what we do or fail to do. And if what we do doesn’t matter, then how can we matter? And if we don’t matter, then what was the point in Jesus dying on the cross to save us? In fact, what was the point in God creating us? And if God does pointless things, then Scripture is a tissue of lies, and our faith is a nullity.
 
This is drifting into a whole other topic, OSAS which we can make a thread about, here is a quick answer.

After I have accepted Jesus and become part of His family, then
I reject God willingly, He will go against my wishes and force me to be with Him in Heaven when I reject that? This is like a child who rejects his family they will still love him but allow separation as that is the childs desire.

This is a belief in God who then doesn’t care about evil and sin and ignores free will.

God is all loving and wont force people to follow Him or else sin doesn’t matter and choosing Him doesn’t matter.

A Catholic would believe that plenty of people who are new creations in Jesus have rejected Him afterward and chosen eternal separation from God. Not that He forces people to be with Him.

God Bless
Scylla
 
So then, it doesn’t matter what we do or fail to do. And if what we do doesn’t matter, then how can we matter? And if we don’t matter, then what was the point in Jesus dying on the cross to save us? In fact, what was the point in God creating us? And if God does pointless things, then Scripture is a tissue of lies, and our faith is a nullity.
How do you explain Philippians 2:12-13 then, Damo?

"Wherefore, my beloved, … work out your own salvation **with fear and trembling’ **

What is there to fear and tremble about if our salvation is so secure? What is there to ‘work out’ if nothing we DO matters :hmmm: - could it be that it’s not quite so absurdly simple as you maintain, Damo? That like any offered gift that we can accept or reject, we are free at any time to reject salvation?

“Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall” (I Cor. 10:12).

Nuff said. Salvation is not eternally secure, not in any situation. :nope:
 
Rom 9:13 As the scripture says, “I loved Jacob, but I hated Esau.”
Rom 9:14 Shall we say, then, that God is unjust? Not at all.
Rom 9:15 For he said to Moses, “I will have mercy on anyone I wish; I will take pity on anyone I wish.”
Rom 9:16 So then, everything depends, not on what we humans want or do, but only on God’s mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture says to the king of Egypt, “I made you king in order to use you to show my power and to spread my fame over the whole world.”
Rom 9:18 So then, God has mercy on anyone he wishes, and he makes stubborn anyone he wishes.
Rom 9:19 But one of you will say to me, “If this is so, how can God find fault with anyone? Who can resist God’s will?”
Rom 9:20 But who are you, my friend, to talk back to God? A clay pot does not ask the man who made it, “Why did you make me like this?”
Rom 9:21 After all, the man who makes the pots has the right to use the clay as he wishes, and to make two pots from the same lump of clay, one for special occasions and the other for ordinary use.

Predestination was not what i wanted to discuss however, it was the once off sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, being more than sufficiant for every sin past present and future.When the Father sees us through the blood of Christ, it means that when he looks at are sin he remembers the sacrifice that has already been made as payment for are sin,the blood of Christ.
 
Damo, it’s not Christ’s sacrifice that is insufficient, it is our acceptance of the fruits and benefits of that sacrifice which is insufficient, and thus needs to be periodically reaffirmed.
 
How can it be sufficient if we can not fully recieve it, would you give someone a gift he was not able to use and then say it was the perfect gift?
 
Lilym in regards to phil 2:12-13

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. "
Notice that when Paul told them in his absence to work out their own salvation in trembling and fear (12), he also clearly told them in Verse 13 just how they would accomplish that. He says because it is God which worketh in you both to will and do of his good pleasure. And that Greek word translated do [energeo] is the exact same word translated worketh. The word means that God is the active one within you so that you will effectually work. So that when verse 12 says they will work (to the fullest), verse 13 lets us know explicitly that the effectual working unto salvation is by His actively moving us to do. It is not ourselves! . Here Paul is very plainly telling them that the work in them is not of them, but it is of God Himself
 
Nuff said. Salvation is not eternally secure, not in any situation. :nope:
Well, it is as far as God’s concerned; it’s not as far as we’re concerned. God is not going to change His mind, but we might change ours.

Damo: God doesn’t cram anything down our throats, not even salvation. How do you cope with the following:

Hebrews 2:1:
Therefore we must pay the closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.
Hebrews 3:12:
Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
Hebrews 13:9:
Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings; for it is well that the heart be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited their adherents.
1 Timothy 6:10:
For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.
2 Peter 3:17:
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.
2 John 1:8:
Look to yourselves, that you may not lose what you have worked for, but may win a full reward.
And finally, the piece de resistance, 2 Peter 2:20-22:
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire.
 
Lilym in regards to phil 2:12-13

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. "
Notice that when Paul told them in his absence to work out their own salvation in trembling and fear (12), he also clearly told them in Verse 13 just how they would accomplish that. He says because it is God which worketh in you both to will and do of his good pleasure. And that Greek word translated do [energeo] is the exact same word translated worketh. The word means that God is the active one within you so that you will effectually work. So that when verse 12 says they will work (to the fullest), verse 13 lets us know explicitly that the effectual working unto salvation is by His actively moving us to do. It is not ourselves! . Here Paul is very plainly telling them that the work in them is not of them, but it is of God Himself
You are right about verse 13…it is exactly what Paul is talking about in Eph 2:10 in regards to being born again at justification. Upon receiving his free gift by grace through faith as stated in verses 8 and 9, verse 10 goes on to say: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”

The workmanship is that of the Father. The works are of the Father. Moreover, we are created in Christ Jesus for those works that God prepared beforehand. All is from God and the credit and glory go to God. We do nothing on our own.
 
Romans 8:30 declares, “And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.” This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven.
This verse says nothing about this happening from the very moment. It describes a process–and the process can take time.

You quoted lots of scripture, but I don’t see any scripture that overtly says “God looks at us through Jesus blood so He doesn’t see our sin” or something similar. Where does the Bible say that specifically.:confused: I don’t think it does. Again, I could be wrong as I don’t have the whole Bible memorized, but I’m interested if you can provide a verse that supports that fully.
 
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