Mass of Anticipation?

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Okay…so Catholic Campus Ministry at my College is planning on having a Mass of Anticipation for Immaculate Conception on Friday at 2:30pm.

I know that Vigil Masses on Saturday are technically supposed to be after sunset (right?) and the earliest I’ve ever seen is 4pm.

Now, in LOTH there is evening prayer I of a solemnity the ‘night before’ the solemnity. But day prayer is still for the normal day, not the next day’s solemnity. So Mid-Afternoon Prayer would be prayed at 3:00pm (ish) for Friday and then Evening Prayer I for the Solemnity. How can there be a Mass of Anticipation before Mid-Afternoon Prayer would be typically prayed?

Is there some sort of standard for how early is too early for a Mass of Anticipation?

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Is there some sort of standard for how early is too early for a Mass of Anticipation?

Thanks!
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Most documents I’ve read say not before 4 or 4:30 p.m. 2:30 is far too early for an anticipated Sunday/Feast Day Mass.
 
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Okay…so Catholic Campus Ministry at my College is planning on having a Mass of Anticipation for Immaculate Conception on Friday at 2:30pm.

I know that Vigil Masses on Saturday are technically supposed to be after sunset (right?) and the earliest I’ve ever seen is 4pm.

Now, in LOTH there is evening prayer I of a solemnity the ‘night before’ the solemnity. But day prayer is still for the normal day, not the next day’s solemnity. So Mid-Afternoon Prayer would be prayed at 3:00pm (ish) for Friday and then Evening Prayer I for the Solemnity. How can there be a Mass of Anticipation before Mid-Afternoon Prayer would be typically prayed?

Is there some sort of standard for how early is too early for a Mass of Anticipation?

Thanks!
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In the Diocese of the U.S. No Vigil Mass can take place before 4PM. Or it does not satisfy the Holy Day Obligation. Any Mass said before 4pm Friday must use the Friday readings or the proper readings for the Mass that is being celebrated (funeral, wedding, etc.)
 
Okay thats what I thought, but does anyone know where that is documented?
 
I’ve been looking all over the USCCB website and I can’t find it 😦

I’ve tried searches, looking in the GIRM, different documents, etc.
 
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I’ve been looking all over the USCCB website and I can’t find it 😦

I’ve tried searches, looking in the GIRM, different documents, etc.
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It is under the subject of Vigils and Anticipated Sunday Mass.
 
Here are a couple of sources:
In a question I posted to Ask an Apologist, Beginning and end of Sunday, Jan Wakelin reported that the consensus of canon lawyers in the US is 4pm, while in the British Isles it is 12 Noon.
Jan Wakelin:
In consulting “The New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law”, commissioned by the Canon Law Society of America, and “The Canon Law: Letter and Spirit”, by the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland, both commentaries agree that the holy day itself (Sunday being the primary holiday) means from midnight at the beginning of the day to midnight which ends the day.
But the two commentaries disagree on what is meant by “the evening of the previous day”.
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…and this article from 1990, which discusses the history of anticipated masses, makes a case that 4pm is what was meant by the 1983 Code of Canon Law which governs this today.

What Time for Anticipated Masses?

I have not seen any mention of this at the USCCB site, and was unable to find it there just now in a brief search.
 
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Here are a couple of sources:
In a question I posted to Ask an Apologist, Beginning and end of Sunday, Jan Wakelin reported that the consensus of canon lawyers in the US is 4pm, while in the British Isles it is 12 Noon.

…and this article from 1990, which discusses the history of anticipated masses, makes a case that 4pm is what was meant by the 1983 Code of Canon Law which governs this today.

What Time for Anticipated Masses?

I have not seen any mention of this at the USCCB site, and was unable to find it there just now in a brief search.
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I also looked at the USCCB site and could not find anything. But then I seem to never be able to find anything there. I use paper most of the time here. The time was set by Rome in a Liturgy document at no eariler than 3 pm local time. However it allowed the Bishops conference to set a later time if they wanted up to and including Sunset. The USCCB decided on 4 PM for the US diocese. I have read it specifically in a USCCB document pertaining to the Liturgy.
 
Well I emailed the Campus Minister asking about it, with no response. I just sent an email to the priest, and we’ll see what he says. It stops there though since the Bishop is in Rome until the 14th.
 
Okay…so Catholic Campus Ministry at my College is planning on having a Mass of Anticipation for Immaculate Conception on Friday at 2:30pm.

There may be a grave pastoral reason for doing this. Perhaps the priest has other communities he must liturgize for.

Charity demands you assume so.
 
Yes I am hoping that this is the case…however, the bishop has asked some of the students to write to him because another priest informed the bishop of various abuses going on at our college (removing different parts of the Mass including readings and the creed, students taking the chalice off the altar to receive the precious blood, using chipped glass chalices, the priest allegedly saying that kneeling demonstrates slavery so we shouldn’t kneel during the consecration, sponsoring hookah smoking parties on campus, …) so it is difficult to assume there is a legitmate reason, but I certainly try to hope. Also we’ve been told by the priest that the Bishop has given his permission for the way Mass is conducted, but the Bishop has told us that he has NOT given his permission. It is a mess. I’ve emailed asking about why it is at 2:30pm. Still no response. Last time I asked why a reading was removed from Mass on Sunday I was told that I was trying to be holier than God and had lost the meaning of the Mass.

SO yeah. Hoping.
 
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Yes I am hoping that this is the case…however, the bishop has asked some of the students to write to him because another priest informed the bishop of various abuses going on at our college (removing different parts of the Mass including readings and the creed, students taking the chalice off the altar to receive the precious blood, using chipped glass chalices, the priest allegedly saying that kneeling demonstrates slavery so we shouldn’t kneel during the consecration, sponsoring hookah smoking parties on campus, …) so it is difficult to assume there is a legitmate reason, but I certainly try to hope. Also we’ve been told by the priest that the Bishop has given his permission for the way Mass is conducted, but the Bishop has told us that he has NOT given his permission. It is a mess. I’ve emailed asking about why it is at 2:30pm. Still no response. Last time I asked why a reading was removed from Mass on Sunday I was told that I was trying to be holier than God and had lost the meaning of the Mass.

SO yeah. Hoping.
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There is no legit reason. That time is fixed by the USCCB for all diocese,
 
I am guessing the CM people assume nobody will hang around until after 4 pm on a Friday and at least wanted to make this available to get the point across about the Holy Day, so that those who will be travelling (or partying) Friday night at least get the message, since it is a very committed college or HS kid who would get up early on Saturday morning for Mass. An attempt at being pastoral that may, like so many, backfire. the chaplain at our local campus is also a parish priest so has to schedule campus Masses around the schedule of his own parish and two missions. Maybe that is a factor as well.
 
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