Mass of the Angels

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The music from the Mass of the Angels is unbelievable. How can anyone say that the singing with guitar and drums compare to this? I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. I see no reason this cannot be incorporated into the Novus Ordo Mass. You do not even need an expensive organ to do it either.

youtube.com/watch?v=p85L3H31ylA

youtube.com/watch?v=IvSgPeVxXOc

youtube.com/watch?v=NyV01zXuW-A
 
I just bought that same cd on my Ipad yesterday. That is what prompted me to post this.
 
The music from the Mass of the Angels is unbelievable. How can anyone say that the singing with guitar and drums compare to this? I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. I see no reason this cannot be incorporated into the Novus Ordo Mass. You do not even need an expensive organ to do it either.

youtube.com/watch?v=p85L3H31ylA

youtube.com/watch?v=IvSgPeVxXOc

youtube.com/watch?v=NyV01zXuW-A
It’s pretty, but unfortunately most of the Missa de Angelis is a late neogregorian fabrication. The Kyrie is from the 15th-16th century, the Gloria from the 16th, the Agnus Dei from the 15th. Only the Sanctus is actually relatively old, from the 11th-12th century. Now Mass I, that’s more my style! 🙂
 
It’s pretty, but unfortunately most of the Missa de Angelis is a late neogregorian fabrication. The Kyrie is from the 15th-16th century, the Gloria from the 16th, the Agnus Dei from the 15th. Only the Sanctus is actually relatively old, from the 11th-12th century. Now Mass I, that’s more my style! 🙂
Feel free to let us know what a neogregorian fabrication is. What does it matter if it is from the 15th-16th century instead of the 11th or 12th. I am comparing it to the terrible music I hear at Mass now days.
 
Feel free to let us know what a neogregorian fabrication is. What does it matter if it is from the 15th-16th century instead of the 11th or 12th. I am comparing it to the terrible music I hear at Mass now days.
Oh, I thought you wanted a discussion of Mass VIII, not another gripefest about whatever music you hear at your parish.

As to the dating, I just thought it was worth pointing out that most of Mass VIII dates from circa the late Renaissance (whoever composed it might have gone to church the next week and heard the latest compositions by Palestrina or even Byrd), not from the era of organic composition of Gregorian melodies.
 
You obviously know way more about music then I do. So I had no intention of going deep into discussion with anyone about it. But you comment about it being “unfortunately a late neogregorian fabrication” as if most people have any idea what that means. I was wondering why music from the Mass of Angels is not heard more now days and why today’s Mass couldn’t incorporate it instead of what currently is used.
 
Since you do know so much about music and you brought it up, can you give us some background about the Mass of Angels and the Missa O Magnum Mysterium. I just started listening to the Missa O magnum Mysterium and I like it alot also.
 
Neogregorian would simply indicate that it was composed in the Gregorian style but after that period of music history had concluded. The compositions may be completely in the older style or contain a few elements of later genres.

I don’t take an issue with those who prefer this style, or singing in latin in the Ordinary Form (It’s not called Novus Ordo), but I also think it’s important to remember that the use of the vernacular is equally acceptable, along with more contemporary styles that follow the appropriate documents.
 
I don’t take an issue with those who prefer this style, or singing in latin in the Ordinary Form (It’s not called Novus Ordo), but I also think it’s important to remember that the use of the vernacular is equally acceptable, along with more contemporary styles that follow the appropriate documents.
Precisely. Many fail to realize that at one time everything is new. Nothing “new” just appears without some ties to what went before.

A “Can’t See The Forest For The Trees Moment;”

"I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. "

How about receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist?
 
This is the one I fall asleep to. The clanking thurible rhythm in the background is very relaxing.
youtu.be/NB-i_V9QPt8
I don’t take an issue with those who prefer this style, or singing in latin in the Ordinary Form (It’s not called Novus Ordo), but I also think it’s important to remember that the use of the vernacular is equally acceptable, along with more contemporary styles that follow the appropriate documents.
No it’s not “equally acceptable”. Gregorian Chant is to be given pride of place in the Mass, below it is polyphony.
“All other things being equal, Gregorian chant holds pride of place because it is proper to the Roman Liturgy.”
 
Gregorian chant is beauitiful.

I use to play the organ at funeral and used The Mass of the Angels
 
No it’s not “equally acceptable”. Gregorian Chant is to be given pride of place in the Mass, below it is polyphony.
I’m not going to argue semantics with you. Many things can be equal in their acceptance while remaining unequal in their preference.
 
We use the Kyrie, Gloria and Sanctus from Mass VII at our ( OF) Parish.

Great stuff!!!
 
The music from the Mass of the Angels is unbelievable. How can anyone say that the singing with guitar and drums compare to this? I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. I see no reason this cannot be incorporated into the Novus Ordo Mass. You do not even need an expensive organ to do it either.

youtube.com/watch?v=p85L3H31ylA

youtube.com/watch?v=IvSgPeVxXOc

youtube.com/watch?v=NyV01zXuW-A
Yes, the Missa de Angelis is wonderful!

I like polyphonic music too, though.
 
Precisely. Many fail to realize that at one time everything is new. Nothing “new” just appears without some ties to what went before.

A “Can’t See The Forest For The Trees Moment;”

"I know it is all personal taste, but to me I cannot image bringing one closer to heaven than hearing this at Mass. "

How about receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist?
Someone always has to do this on every post. I am speaking strictly about music in the Mass not about the Eucharist. I am sure you knew that though and just wanted to try and put me down.
 
HUDSON.

Thank you so very much for the Latin of MaSS FOR THE aNGELS

It brought back many memories when I played the organ–again Thanks

JR
You are welcome JR. I fell in love with it the moment I heard it. I was born in the early 80’s and never heard anything like this in the Catholic Church. If I had been taught properly the teachings of the Church and had access to Masses that played music like this, I probably would have never left for over 15 years.
 
I personally don’t care for it, not that Cat’s personal opinion matters. But I just want to make sure you realize that not everyone agrees with you that it brings heaven closer to us.

I prefer hymns, both traditional and modern, in my own language, with a regular melody that I can hum as I am working or playing outside of Mass.

But to each his own. I respect your opinion and preference.

You asked the question, “Why don’t we hear this more often at Mass?”

The answer is, “Because it’s hard to learn unless you have a musical background and a good conductor, and probably a rehearsal accompanist, since so few people read music.”

The version that you linked us to is being sung very well by good singers. Honestly now, how do you think that same music would sound sung by the people in your parish? If YOU had to sing it, would YOU sound good, like the people in your link?

My husband and I listened to a CD of Gregorian chant a few weeks ago. His comment was, “Well, if the singers in the church all sound like that, it would be OK. Problem is, the singers in most churches don’t sound like that. It would end up sounding like those funny cat videos–meeerwwrowal!”

Now with a good conductor and some good singers who actually have time to do some rehearsing, this Mass would sound OK to those who like this kind of music.
 
I respect your opinion. Chant was done well for the large majority of Church history was it not? If the Catholic Church would put some money and effort into training people, in a decade there would no longer be a shortage of people able to do this. The initiative needs to start from the top though, because very few lay people will do it on their own without guidance. I personally would go and try to learn if there was a class offered around here. Especially if it was done with the full backing of our Church.
 
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