Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 14 People Dead

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Apparently,he purchased a ticket,walked into theatre with everyon else. He then left through an emergency exit,unoticed,propped the door open,went out to his car to gear up and then reentered just as movie was starting.
 
Apparently,he purchased a ticket,walked into theatre with everyon else. He then left through an emergency exit,unoticed,propped the door open,went out to his car to gear up and then reentered just as movie was starting.
WOW… That is scary!!! I bet he probably snuck out
during previews… The theatre would have been
fairly dark by then.
 
Click to see Yahoo Article on Aurora

If he was the son of a murderer or brought is a nasty environment, but no: he was a churchgoer. Again with so many situations like this, I ask: Why? Was this pure evil? Mental disorder? Physical deficiency? Social disorder?
He was a churchgoer? How do we know that? I missed that.

And even if he was a churchgoer, that means, what? Look at how many on this forum “self-identify” as Catholic or Christian, and that’s as far as it goes. Even Obama does the “self-identify” thing.
 
I do not think he is churchgoer, he is agnostic
I read claims he was from a churchgoing family in the same places that claim other things. 🤷

I thought his name was James? Is it James or John?

The Joker in batman had green hair…so i don’t get the red hair
 
This dude graduated from University of California, Riverside, my school. :eek:
 
I believe in sensible gun control laws but neither side is touching this issue. It’s “policially incorrect” at the moment.

Clinton was the last President who did- and I applauded him for it but no federal politician is touching this.
The arguments I think, if I’m not mistaken are two fold. One is that you have a constitutional and historical right to own weapons (to enforce or protect liberty) and the second I think is the personal protection from thugs, as guns do level the playing field against stronger or more numerous attackers. In the first case, I don’t see how you can resolve that, and that can’t really be compatible with disarming (almost) everyone. In the second case, unless you’re Bruce Lee, being attacked by a group of angry “YOBs” in the handgun free UK (or anywhere else) is no fun, but if you have a weapon (plus some training) you can always (try to) defend yourself. Now one can’t legislate against said thugs (even in gun free environments) and one can’t really effectively police the smuggling in of guns from Mexico and elsewhere it seems. Guns which go to criminals, although one could also argue that those guns don’t always go to small time muggers but to organised crime which usually stays out of the way of the average citizen but to enforce their own internal rules.

On a personal note, I do find guns scary. One never knows what goes on inside the head of another person, and I do find that when talking to someone who has a weapon on him I am restricted by the notion that if I say something wrong, he could just shoot me (instead of punching me) and so I think guns do restrict freedom of expression or personal freedom too, or at least personal comfort. I once had someone point a weapon at me casually for a split second at university and I still remember it to this day. Not fun.
 
The arguments I think, if I’m not mistaken are two fold. One is that you have a constitutional and historical right to own weapons (to enforce or protect liberty) and the second I think is the personal protection from thugs, as guns do level the playing field against stronger or more numerous attackers. In the first case, I don’t see how you can resolve that, and that can’t really be compatible with disarming (almost) everyone. In the second case, unless you’re Bruce Lee, being attacked by a group of angry “YOBs” in the handgun free UK (or anywhere else) is no fun, but if you have a weapon (plus some training) you can always (try to) defend yourself. Now one can’t legislate against said thugs (even in gun free environments) and one can’t really effectively police the smuggling in of guns from Mexico and elsewhere it seems. Guns which go to criminals, although one could also argue that those guns don’t always go to small time muggers but to organised crime which usually stays out of the way of the average citizen but to enforce their own internal rules.

On a personal note, I do find guns scary. One never knows what goes on inside the head of another person, and I do find that when talking to someone who has a weapon on him I am restricted by the notion that if I say something wrong, he could just shoot me (instead of punching me) and so I think guns do restrict freedom of expression or personal freedom too, or at least personal comfort. I once had someone point a weapon at me casually for a split second at university and I still remember it to this day. Not fun.
I agree with much of your post that’s why I believe in sensible gun control laws, such as limits on the number of guns a person can buy in a given time and limits on assault weaponry.

I have no opinion on concealed carry laws and the ability of individuals to arm themselves to protect themselves and their families.
 
I agree with much of your post that’s why I believe in sensible gun control laws, such as limits on the number of guns a person can buy in a given time and limits on assault weaponry.

I have no opinion on concealed carry laws and the ability of individuals to arm themselves to protect themselves and their families.
How can you have no opinion on the ability of individuals to protect their families?

I don’t know if you have a family or not, but would you want to protect your family if someone was trying to harm them?

The CCC says that people with authority (such as parents- I think especially fathers), have a grave responsibility to protect the people entrusted to their care (their families).

And you have no opinion?
 
How can you have no opinion on the ability of individuals to protect their families?

I don’t know if you have a family or not, but would you want to protect your family if someone was trying to harm them?

The CCC says that people with authority (such as parents- I think especially fathers), have a grave responsibility to protect the people entrusted to their care (their families).

And you have no opinion?
By saying “I have no opinion” I meant that I do not oppose gun ownership to protect oneself and their family.
 
By saying “I have no opinion” I meant that I do not oppose gun ownership to protect oneself and their family.
But you are willing to limit the type of guns that people can have access to for protecting their families.
 
i am very disappointed that Obama decided he needed to insert himself and become the center of attention today into this story. a statement from the White House would have been enough. it seems since he has become president, there have been many shooting massacres. i just get tired of all the press zeroing in on the town where it happened wanting to garner as many ratings as they can from the tragedy and then the rehashing of the same information over and over and the prayer vigils and memorials. don’t get me wrong, i am very sorry that this happened, but the television journalists really seem to want to exploit the tragedy for their own means. every theory is put out there - they try to dig into every aspect of the suspect’s life and then come the stories of the victims.
maybe i am cynical, but some of the people being interviewed seemed to be smiling while they were narrating what they went through. maybe we are just becoming numb to all of these things from other events, movies and graphic video games.
it makes me wonder what our country is coming to and what a reflection this is on our society in america today.
 
But you are willing to limit the type of guns that people can have access to for protecting their families.
Yes, I am willing to support the government in preventing folks from owning greneade launchers and guarding their homes with machine guns. I also would support the government in preventing people from burying land mines in their yards to protect their families.
 
Yes, I am willing to support the government in preventing folks from owning greneade launchers and guarding their homes with machine guns. I also would support the government in preventing people from burying land mines in their yards to protect their families.
Maybe if these types of weapons are so terrible, there should be laws forbidding their manufacture completely. Why is it okay for agents of the government to have them who are protected from prosecution by the state in the event of misuse, but not okay for the law-abiding citizen?

Are agents of the government somehow more noble? More trustworthy than the average citizen? And if so, why do you inherently distrust your neighbor and inherently trust a complete stranger, just because he wears a badge?
 
Maybe if these types of weapons are so terrible, there should be laws forbidding their manufacture completely. Why is it okay for agents of the government to have them who are protected from prosecution by the state in the event of misuse, but not okay for the law-abiding citizen?

Are agents of the government somehow more noble? More trustworthy than the average citizen? And if so, why do you inherently distrust your neighbor and inherently trust a complete stranger, just because he wears a badge?
Well, I guess I am a sheep and I own that. I do tend to trust our military and law enforcement services with this type of equipment more than Joe Schmo.

I believe in licensing and authoritative structures in nearly all industries, whether that be law, accounting, plumbing, therapy (me :)), construction, catering, piloting, and yes military.

I’m not an anarchist. I respect and rely upon societal structures. I don’t worry about the collapsing Government and my ability to provide for my family in a post apocalyptic wasteland. I don’t grow food. I don’t store water. I don’t have a shelter.

My MIL talks this kind of stuff though.

People have a right to defend themselves. They do not have a right to weapons of war.
 
Maybe if these types of weapons are so terrible, there should be laws forbidding their manufacture completely. Why is it okay for agents of the government to have them who are protected from prosecution by the state in the event of misuse, but not okay for the law-abiding citizen?

Are agents of the government somehow more noble? More trustworthy than the average citizen? And if so, why do you inherently distrust your neighbor and inherently trust a complete stranger, just because he wears a badge?
While I think your basic argument is valid, we need to draw the line somewhere. Most people don’t need a full auto machine gun or a grenade launcher. If they have a valid reason for them, sure let them have it without too much trouble, but don’t let just anyone have them. I would not feel comfortable having other people buying that kind of stuff at the local gun shop as easily as you can buy normal guns. I am all for 2nd amendment rights to the full extent, but I think we need to use common sense too.
 
This is the full video of a debate today between Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) on if we should have stricter national gun control.

realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/22/sens_feinstein_johnson_debate_stricter_gun_control.html

What are the views of the forum?
I don’t always agree with Mayor Bloomberg of NYC, but on this issue I do. As he stated, it’s more a matter of strictly enforcing the gun-control laws we already have in place, such as the implementation of a national data base of criminals, than instituting new ones. However, there should also be laws against activities such as purchasing assault weapons and ammunition online. I believe people should be allowed to buy firearms to protect themselves in their homes and businesses, as well as for hunting, but there is no need to purchase weapons that are used only by police officers and meant for the express purpose of killing civilians and police. I think most mayors and police commissioners of cities and towns across America agree with this. Safety is one of those issues in which federal, state, and local government must play an essential role, rather than ceding power to lobbyists such as the NRA. Neither Obama nor Romney is even talking about the issue of gun control, although Romney did favor reasonable regulation when he was Governor of MA.
 
I wonder how different things would have been if there were some responsible citizens in the crowd who were allowed to have their concealed carry weapons with them and were capable of responding in kind.

VIOLENT CRIMINALS SEEK OUT VICTIMS WHO CANNOT RETALIATE.

God Almighty, when are we going to learn this lesson? Gun control laws and practices are stupid.
The shooter was wearing a helmet, a bullet proof vest and other body armor.

I’m a gun owner myself and I have a concealed carry permit. I know that it would have been useless in that theatre.
 
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