Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 14 People Dead

[GEddie]

While I think your basic argument is valid, we need to draw the line somewhere. Most people don’t need a full auto machine gun or a grenade launcher. If they have a valid reason for them, sure let them have it without too much trouble, but don’t let just anyone have them. I would not feel comfortable having other people buying that kind of stuff at the local gun shop as easily as you can buy normal guns. I am all for 2nd amendment rights to the full extent, but I think we need to use common sense too.

I don’t know. My dead body wouldn’t care whether a handgun or a grenade launcher was used on me. If we want an armed society, what is so bothersome about seriously powerful weapons in private hands?

Or conversely, why trust someone with a handgun that you would not trust with an AK47?

ICXC NIKA

 

[meltzerboy]

I don’t know. My dead body wouldn’t care whether a handgun or a grenade launcher was used on me. If we want an armed society, what is so bothersome about seriously powerful weapons in private hands?

Or conversely, why trust someone with a handgun that you would not trust with an AK47?

ICXC NIKA

We don’t all want an armed society or vigilante justice to take the place of the police. I’m no weapons expert, but I would think a grenade launcher can do more extensive damage to a greater number of people in a shorter period of time. Our society has to impose certain limits for the safety of its citizens, as it does in virtually every other domain, including free speech. Do gun regulations mean we will be perfectly safe? Of course not, but at least let’s not make it easier for possible criminals and mentally disturbed individuals to legally purchase high-powered weapons and ammunition online.

 

[ringil]

Pro God, Pro Gun, Pro Grenades!!

 

[estesbob]

But you are willing to limit the type of guns that people can have access to for protecting their families.

I am.

 

[estesbob]

Well, I guess I am a sheep and I own that. I do tend to trust our military and law enforcement services with this type of equipment more than Joe Schmo.

I believe in licensing and authoritative structures in nearly all industries, whether that be law, accounting, plumbing, therapy (me ), construction, catering, piloting, and yes military.

I’m not an anarchist. I respect and rely upon societal structures. I don’t worry about the collapsing Government and my ability to provide for my family in a post apocalyptic wasteland. I don’t grow food. I don’t store water. I don’t have a shelter.

My MIL talks this kind of stuff though.

People have a right to defend themselves. They do not have a right to weapons of war.

Agreed.

 

[Gift_from_God]

But you are willing to limit the type of guns that people can have access to for protecting their families.

Yes. No regular citizen needs an AK-47 or an RPG. It’s worth pointing out your Second Amendment mentions having a well-regulated militia and was written at a time when Rifles took time to fire and reload, not like today where rapid fire guns with 30-rounds exist

 

[bellasbane]

Yes. No regular citizen needs an AK-47 or an RPG. It’s worth pointing out your Second Amendment mentions having a well-regulated militia and was written at a time when Rifles took time to fire and reload, not like today where rapid fire guns with 30-rounds exist

Actually, the shooter in Colorado used an assault-style rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, and I don’t think they even had very good rifles until the Civil War.

Other than that I agree with you.

 

[Gift_from_God]

Actually, the shooter in Colorado used an assault-style rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, and I don’t think they even had very good rifles until the Civil War.

Other than that I agree with you.

The 30 round gun was just an example but honestly, I had no idea 100-round magazines existed for people that weren’t soldiers

 

[gilliam]

No one needs a 100-round drum magazine.

 

[ringil]

No one needs a 100-round drum magazine.

Hey, what about the possible zombie attack? Got to hold down the bunker . . . . . protect the kin. . . . .

We need to e prepared for these things. . . .

 

[rlg94086]

Hey, what about the possible zombie attack? Got to hold down the bunker . . . . . protect the kin. . . . .

We need to e prepared for these things. . . .

Good point. The zombie apocalypse is right around the corner. I better buy me some ammunition…

 

[ringil]

Good point. The zombie apocalypse is right around the corner. I better buy me some ammunition…

But, then again, on second thought, the shotgun is the preferred weapon when faced with the undead and so I suppose, we can make due with the supplies at the local gun shops. No reason to go fancy.

I do think I saw a repeating shotgun on youtube once though. WOW.

 

[rlg94086]

But, then again, on second thought, the shotgun is the preferred weapon when faced with the undead and so I suppose, we can make due with the supplies at the local gun shops. No reason to go fancy.

I do think I saw a repeating shotgun on youtube once though. WOW.

My employees Windows background is a machine-gun/shotgun combo, that he claims is perfect for the zombie apocalypse.

…I’m careful with my criticism of said employee…

 

[_Abyssinia]

Carney: Obama will not push for new gun control measures

White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One on Sunday that the Obama administration has no plans to push new gun control measures in the wake of the deadly shooting rampage at a Colorado movie theater

Carney said that includes a reauthorization of the Clinton-era assault-weapon ban that lapsed during the George W. Bush administration

“As you know, there’s been opposition to that since it expired within Congress,” Carney said. “The president is focused on doing the things that we can do that protect Second Amendment rights which he thinks is important but also make it harder for individuals who should not under existing law have weapons to obtain them”

politico.com/politico44/2012/07/carney-obama-will-not-push-for-new-gun-control-measures-129749.html

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

This is the full video of a debate today between Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) on if we should have stricter national gun control.

realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/22/sens_feinstein_johnson_debate_stricter_gun_control.html

What are the views of the forum?

If guns cause violence, then…

pencils cause bad grades…and we should have strict pencil control,

spoons cause obesity…and we should have strict spoon control,

cars cause traffic accident…and we should have strict car control.

I find it interesting that when ONE homicidal psycho causes misery, they want to take guns away from the rest of us, who have done nothing and are no cause for concern.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Well, I guess I am a sheep and I own that. I do tend to trust our military and law enforcement services with this type of equipment more than Joe Schmo.

I believe in licensing and authoritative structures in nearly all industries, whether that be law, accounting, plumbing, therapy (me ), construction, catering, piloting, and yes military.

I’m not an anarchist. I respect and rely upon societal structures. I don’t worry about the collapsing Government and my ability to provide for my family in a post apocalyptic wasteland. I don’t grow food. I don’t store water. I don’t have a shelter.

My MIL talks this kind of stuff though.

People have a right to defend themselves. They do not have a right to weapons of war.

Why not? What makes a soldier or police officer more equal than me?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The shooter was wearing a helmet, a bullet proof vest and other body armor.

I’m a gun owner myself and I have a concealed carry permit. I know that it would have been useless in that theatre.

YOu do know that a ballistic vest is not magic armor, right? If you think that you get hit in the chest, arm, shoulder…etc… with even a handgun bullet, you still feel the impact, even if it doesn’t penetrate.

Now, if this guy was wearing a full body suit of Dragonskin, then I want to know how a broke, working at McDonald’s, doctoral degree student bought $20,000 worth of weapons, armor, and explosives under the radar.

 

[JustaServant]

Off the radar in this debate, as everyone keeps blaming guns and a movie for this tragedy, is the 800 pound gorilla in the room of mental illness.
The fact that the first words the mother of the shooter said was “you have the right person”, at least indicates to me that there were warning signs the shooter was exhibiting. But because of the way the mental health system in our country operates people are helpless to do anything about it.
Changing the mental health laws to permit parents to be involved in the mental health treament of their adult children, involuntary outpatient commitment, longer hospital stays, and increased availability of support services. There should be an increased awareness in the community of mental illness and how they should respond when they see it.
If we saw someone on the street bleeding to death, we would act. Mental illness is just as fatal. People with mental illness die on average 25 years younger that the general population.
If a guy on a gun range only hears the phone message, and alarm bells ring, other people had to have seen it as well. When people observe things they should be able to report it, and there should be options on getting this person help.
No one has a “right” to be mentally ill.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Off the radar in this debate, as everyone keeps blaming guns and a movie for this tragedy, is the 800 pound gorilla in the room of mental illness.
The fact that the first words the mother of the shooter said was “you have the right person”, at least indicates to me that there were warning signs the shooter was exhibiting. But because of the way the mental health system in our country operates people are helpless to do anything about it.
Changing the mental health laws to permit parents to be involved in the mental health treament of their adult children, involuntary outpatient commitment, longer hospital stays, and increased availability of support services. There should be an increased awareness in the community of mental illness and how they should respond when they see it.
If we saw someone on the street bleeding to death, we would act. Mental illness is just as fatal. People with mental illness die on average 25 years younger that the general population.
If a guy on a gun range only hears the phone message, and alarm bells ring, other people had to have seen it as well. When people observe things they should be able to report it, and there should be options on getting this person help.
No one has a “right” to be mentally ill.

There is “Speculation”, and I am still trying to corroborate, that James Holmes was a member of OWS San Diego and was arrested at one of their events.

 

[coolerway]

While I won’t see the new Batman movie as it doesn’t interest me, there are people who want to see this movie but aren’t because of the shooting. Please don’t let this mass murderer’s deed stop you from seeing this movie if you want to see it. Hopefully the survivors of this shooting will see the Batman movie after they get better and not be denied the entertainment of seeing the movie. Don’t let this killer stop you from watching this movie if you wanted to see this movie before this mass murder.