Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 14 People Dead

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Despite efforts to focus on this tragic event, it appears that this thread is all about gun control. So be it. That being the case, perhaps a different viewpoint may be in order. I am including a link to a recent article by Dr. Thomas Sowell that is very applicable I see to the “discussion” appearing on this forum.

townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/07/24/news_versus_propaganda/page/full/

Here are the relevant points he makes about gun control:

. . .“There is a mountain of evidence that gun control laws not only fail to control guns but are often counterproductive. However, for those other people who still think facts matter, it is worth presenting some of those facts.”

“Do countries with strong gun control laws have lower murder rates? Only if you cherry-pick the data. Britain is a country with stronger gun control laws than the United States, and lower murder rates. But Mexico, Russia and Brazil are also countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States – and their murder rates are much higher than ours. Israel and Switzerland have even higher rates of gun ownership than the United States, and much lower murder rates than ours.”

“Even the British example does not stand up very well under scrutiny. The murder rate in New York has been several times that in London for more than two centuries – and, for most of that time, neither place had strong gun control laws. New York had strong gun control laws years before London did, but New York still had several times the murder rate of London.”

“It was in the later decades of the 20th century that the British government clamped down with severe gun control laws, disarming virtually the entire law-abiding citizenry. Gun crimes, including murder, rose as the public was disarmed. Meanwhile, murder rates in the United States declined during the same years when murder rates in Britain were rising, which were also years when Americans were buying millions more guns per year.”

“The real problem, both in discussions of mass shootings and in discussions of gun control, is that too many people are too committed to a vision to allow mere facts to interfere with their beliefs, and the sense of superiority that those beliefs give them.
Any discussion of facts is futile when directed at such people. All anyone can do is warn others about the propaganda.” 👍
 
Okay now we are getting somewhere. Thanks for explaining. That is all I wanted to know. Peace.🙂
Put it this way: If you are a gun owner, no explanation is necessary. If you are a gun hater, no explanation is possible.
 
Nor did Scott. He said an armed society is a polite society, not a society who points a gun at you will force you to be polite. 😛
Okay. Flash your jacket open so that folks can see that you have an under the shoulder holster holding a .45. That’ll work to insure politeness.
 
The question is not moot because one-third of homicides in the US are caused by guns so clearly possession has a huge impact. Using your anology it seems that there are more evil people in the US than elsewhere: could that be the answer? I don’t think so.

And please no patronising dross from you about pacifiscm or questioning my catholicity- even your Bishops have decreed that gun use should be restricted. To most western non-Americans possessing a gun would be considered distinctly un-catholic.
But LL, I would point out that the VAST majority of those homicides aren’t committed by the legal owners of those guns.

Perhaps it’s because Scott and I are former military. I have seen evil in the world, and I’d rather have the means to defend myself and family from it than not.

I know the Royal Marines I’ve met feel the same.
 
Perhaps it’s because Scott and I are former military.
So am I, as well as some others who aren’t enamored of carrying a pistol either. That’s not an argument for or against carrying a pistol.
 
Indeed? I live in Arkansas, surely part of the South, and I see no indication that my neighbors are armed to the teeth. Didn’t have that impression either when I lived in San Antonio. Are you speaking of certain towns in Texas and the South and the West? The West? As in San Francisco???
You have to remember that California is a Red State, if we could dump San Francisco Bay and LA into the ocean 😃
 
The question is moot. You can kill another person with just about anything. The problem is not the object, but the motive of the individual. Unless you want to implement thought control to make sure that no-one ever THINKS about hurting another person ever, then your nanny-state solutions will never work. And if you are indeed Catholic, you should know that evil exists in the world and will not go away until Christ returns. If you want to be a pacifist, feel free. Stop imposing yourself on everyone else.
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So am I, as well as some others who aren’t enamored of carrying a pistol either. That’s not an argument for or against carrying a pistol.
A vast majority of the vets I know (and I’m guessing Scott would say the same) own firearms.
 
I think that is a good analogy: we may have to just leave it at that.
Sounds right. Those who love their guns (handguns) will never grant any concession to those who are opposed to guns (other than long guns), and I in turn have nothing good to say about carrying a concealed handgun. 🤷
 
But LL, I would point out that the VAST majority of those homicides aren’t committed by the legal owners of those guns.

Perhaps it’s because Scott and I are former military. I have seen evil in the world, and I’d rather have the means to defend myself and family from it than not.

I know the Royal Marines I’ve met feel the same.
Okay, thanks.
 
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. No. No.

What a stupid argument: the primary purpose of all those objects is not to kill. Guns are created to kill. Why would I want one? Or more to the point, why do you feel you must have one?😃
The main object of a weed killer is to kill (weeds, will kill humans). 😃
 
But LL, I would point out that the VAST majority of those homicides aren’t committed by the legal owners of those guns.

Perhaps it’s because Scott and I are former military. I have seen evil in the world, and I’d rather have the means to defend myself and family from it than not.

I know the Royal Marines I’ve met feel the same.
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`19 men killed 3000+ using box cutters. If someone is set on killing people they are going to find a way to do it. I dare say to death toll would have been much higher if this madman would have used a bomb. Gun control just tells criminals with illegal guns that hunting season is open. I applaud people who would sacrifice their lives and the lives of their loved ones so as not to take a life. This is real courage. I’m afraid I could never be that brave. If you want to protest guns, I suggest you take it to Moscow. I’d bet AK-47’s are the deadliest weapons in use on the planet today. I don’t know what Norway’s gun control laws are, but they didn’t help the 77 killed in a mass shooting last year. These episodes won’t stop until we discover what triggers this violence.
 
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