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setter
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This coming from a self-identified ‘Catholic’ per user profile …how is this?
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Mijoy2
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I’m not sure I follow, can you elaborate?
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childofmary1143
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and how is that ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS. It is not your place to say that greenjeans has nothing of value to contribute. Furthermore I will report you to the moderator for your terrible post
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childofmary1143
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A similar situation happened in Canada about 5 years ago. An Openly professed Gay Male student wanted to bring his gay lover to the Prom. If you want more info about it:
google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=%22Marc+Hall%22&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw
google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&q=%22Marc+Hall%22&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw
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setter
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You certainly do not articulate as one founded in Catholic values, beliefs and world view.
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setter
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How is calling out a poster such a “terrible post”? Please leave it to the Mods to moderate these forums.
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Mijoy2
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Setter, you are vague yet again. So again I will ask you to please be specific.
I have no idea what you are refering to.
In an attempt to not just have you throw another insult my way, I’ll ask a specific question.
What Catholic value or belief am I appearing to you to be in opposition with? Please be specific so I may either agree, or respond accordingly.
Thank you
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childofmary1143
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You did far more than just “calling out a poster”. You insulted greenjeans by saying he has nothing of value to contribute. I reported you to the moderators but I don’t need a moderator to say what is obvious.
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chevalier
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First of all, I believe a Catholic school is well within the right and duty to prevent homosexual displays and manifestations. However, let’s get our premises right.
- A prom date is not a coupling in the sense that would entitle us to regard prom dates as couples. Mine was a friend and might as well have had a boyfriend outside the school. A damn nice lass, but I didn’t feel attracted that way to her. Probably true of a number of other prom “couples”.
- Coming to a prom with someone is not a sexual act. If it were, it wouldn’t be allowed before marriage and most likely not in public, either.
- However, while it is not necessarily regarded as a homosexual activity (culturally, socially, not sexually so) to dance with a person of the same sex, waltzing or dancing tango or inviting that person as a companion gives off a homosexual vibe. This isn’t fully logical because if it were gay to dance tango or waltz for me with a man, it should be adulterous for me to do so with another man’s wife. As such, perhaps if the girl made it clear that the person were a mere friend, then maybe… especially if she denounced the gay lifestyle. But she says she’s openly bisexual and that’s why they are preventing her from bringing in a female date. Therefore, I see the school as being in the right.
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setter
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The Catholic school has the mission responsibility to model and uphold the “narrow gate …that leads to life”. Period. Anything less is a compromise of faithful witness to the truth.
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.” Matthew 7: 13-14
"Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” Luke 13: 24
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setter
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It is the Catholic teaching that any sexual activity outside the exclusive commitment of marriage is immoral, not a matter of having your cake and eating it too. Why is not any person’s choice to remain chaste to their state of life not virtuous, if not heroic for that particular person, regardless of their sexual orientation or marital status? Who are you to judge and compare the merit or struggle of one claiming either a homosexual versus bisexual (or heterosexual) tendency? If speaking of minority status, there is less political lobbying for the political correctness of bisexual than homosexual disorder.
Btw – What is the “homosexual cause” that you are referring to?
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setter
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Slow down there …I never said that greenjeans has nothing to contribute. I was simply defending the other poster’s right to call out on the carpet the semblance of this poster to previous a (and banned) CA poster. Please get your facts correct.
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Mijoy2
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I’m still nost sure what you found offensive. Nowhere did I say anything even remotely in tune with homosexual activity being acceptable by the Catholic Faith. I’m well aware it is not.
What I did say was that I feel the homosexual (defined as an individual who is attracted ONLY to members of the same sex) has a tremedous cross to carry throughout thier life. From what I understand, being a Catholic does not prohibit my sympathizing towards those who are homosexual (above definition). In fact I believe my faith encourages, if not commands, I do so. Love the sinner hate the sin. If the homosexual is not committing the sin I can admire and encourage him/her.
The bisexual cannot by definition fall into this catagory. They are by deifinition attracted to both sexes. Much as most males are attracted to many females and most females many males. However we do not act on these desires we suppress them. I simply do not have the sympathetic tendency towards the self proclaimed bisexual who may be speaking as if he/she is being persecuted.
By “homosexual cause” I meant the bi/homosexual individual who claims persecution because people of faith deny thier right to act out thier desires (in the same manner accepted of heterosexuals).
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mlchance
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Not only ought not an “openly bisexual” girl be allowed to bring a female date to the prom, she ought not to have been allowed to continue her enrollment at a Catholic school.
– Mark L. Chance.
– Mark L. Chance.
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Mirdath
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chevalier, I agree with you that schools, and especially Catholic schools, are out of line in sexualizing the prom this way. The only prom I ever went to (and it was a Catholic school one, and not all that recently), it was considered perfectly appropriate to bring a friend of whatever sex, and nobody thought twice about it. AND it was fine to dance with whom one pleased. Really, why are people so obsessed with this stuff? Can’t young people have harmless fun anymore?
Whether or not the young lady in question is bisexual, she may have had no romantic interest in her friend; perhaps they just wanted each others’ moral support, since prom night can be so stressful. If parents and teachers are so concerned, they might want to focus on what may or may not happen after the prom, whether the kids in question are straight, gay or bisexual. Sheesh.
Whether or not the young lady in question is bisexual, she may have had no romantic interest in her friend; perhaps they just wanted each others’ moral support, since prom night can be so stressful. If parents and teachers are so concerned, they might want to focus on what may or may not happen after the prom, whether the kids in question are straight, gay or bisexual. Sheesh.
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Gerry_Hunter
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There is no right to sin. There is, however, free will, and freedom to exercise that free will to commit sin. There is also no obligation to facilitate the commission of sin.
If there truly be persecution in a particular case, then that is sinful. However, when someone is sinned against, his sinful actions do not suddenly become righteous. sin + sin = 2 sins.
Blessings,
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GreenJeans
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It’s very difficult for these kids to harbor the attitude held by some of their seniors regarding homosexuality and homosexual conduct. The days are past when the gays stayed in the closet and the only professed gays were in the arts.
They see gays everyday, interact with them at school, and their experience shows them the gays fall all across the spectrum of the people they know. Few of their seniors spend much time condemning the heterosexual foibles and adventures of their own cohort, and the younger people have simply taken their example and extended it to gays.
As these kids age, they will continue to see gays in the workplace, raising kids, contributing to society, and will include them in their social circles much the way so many of their seniors include the divorced, remarried, and adulterous. It’s no big deal to them. They don’t think other people’s sex life is any of their business. This is really an incredible shift in social outlook and at the moment, I can’;t really think of any other shift that has happened so quickly.
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childofmary1143
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Reviewing back the previous posters you were right and I was wrong. For that I apologise. It was another person who said that but when you defended what he wrote as you did in #26 it was then that I got confused.
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chevalier
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Please, do I look like I don’t know those verses? It’s surely not right to allow gay displays - as I wrote in the very passage you are quoting. But at the same time I’m saying that going to prom with someone is not a sexual act, which you quote but I’m not sure if you actually address.
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chevalier
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I do think bringing a person of the same gender as the companion to a dance rings homosexual and if it serves any homosexual agenda, then it’s wrong. My point is that the gravity of the act tends to be overrated, because if something isn’t sexual between unmarried straight folks, it doesn’t suddenly become sexual for gays. I was arguing for the sake of logic - it either is or is not sexual and if it is, then it is wrong not only between homosexuals. Since it’s allowed with other people’s spouses, priests even can dance with women, then it doesn’t suddenly become fornication for gays.
Yup, the gravity of straights fornicating overweighs the gravity of gays dancing. This doesn’t invalidate the fact that allowing any form of homosexual behaviour (loosely understood, not sexual but still homosexual, as in distinct of homosexuals) in that manner could give the illusion that it’s natural (the natural law sense of natural, that it’s the right way, not just that it occurs in nature), allowable etc. That kind of illusion no Catholic ought to give. So all in all, I wouldn’t punish same-sex dancing for obvious reasons, while I would normally not allow same-sex companionship (I would allow two guys making fun and being idiots, but I wouldn’t allow a potentially romantic or lifestyle display).
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