Massachusetts Catholic School Bars Same-Sex Couple From Prom

[GreenJeans]

Here is a proper definition:

If people see values as a way to act or not act and those values are not based in absolute truth then as those values change behavior will change. That change often contradicts what is objectively true.

How does one determine what set of ideas are absolute truth?

 

[GreenJeans]

This is an unacceptable compromise for a Catholic institution!

Sort of like drift along with the crowd through life…What role does direction and backbone play in your life?

Jesus Christ, the living Son of God, who is Truth incarnate, observed the very same phenomenon in his day:

"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.” Matthew 7: 13

Btw – No one “wings it” into heaven.

“And some one said to him, ‘Lord, will those who are saved be few?’ And he said to them, ‘Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.’” Luke 13: 23-24

So, are you ready yet to confess your beliefs? Or are you content just being an “observer” of life?

Perhaps that is unacceptable for a Cathlic institution. I wasn’t describing a Catholic institution. I was describing kids behavior.

My backbone and direction have little to do with the behavior and attitudes of millions of kids. We can observe that the backbone and direction of their seniors also has little effect.

If the quote from Yeshua is accurate it is improper to say he and I observe the same thing.

I defer to you on proper transportation to heaven.

Confess my beliefs? What on earth does that mean?

 

[setter]

How does one determine what set of ideas are absolute truth?

By being open to hearing and receiving the truth into their heart and mind; by responding to the stirrings and yearnings for truth; by clearing away the clutter that obscures the truth. Ultimately it is a matter of the heart and will.

 

[setter]

Perhaps that is unacceptable for a Cathlic institution. I wasn’t describing a Catholic institution.

There is nothing “perhaps” about it …IT IS unacceptable for a Catholic institution!

I was describing kids behavior.

This seems to be your main forte.

My backbone and direction have little to do with the behavior and attitudes of millions of kids.

So what does your backbone and “direction” influence?

We can observe that the backbone and direction of their seniors also has little effect.

In some cultural circles, yes.

If the quote from Yeshua is accurate it is improper to say he and I observe the same thing.

There you go with those “if” teasers again …observe where such “if’s” originate from when directed toward the living Son of God, Jesus Christ:

"And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down; for it is written, `He will give his angels charge of you,’"Matthew 4: 3, 6

I will side with Jesus Christ over the voice of man or [fallen] angels any day.

I defer to you on proper transportation to heaven.

Sanctifying grace is the only fuel that will gain one acces to heaven.

Confess my beliefs? What on earth does that mean?

That’s right, you reserve observer status only.

 

[GreenJeans]

By being open to hearing and receiving the truth into their heart and mind; by responding to the stirrings and yearnings for truth; by clearing away the clutter that obscures the truth. Ultimately it is a matter of the heart and will.

That’s a process. How does one determine the opinion resulting from the process is a correct discernment of NL?

 

[GreenJeans]

There is nothing “perhaps” about it …IT IS unacceptable for a Catholic institution!

This seems to be your main forte.

So what does your backbone and “direction” influence?

In some cultural circles, yes.

There you go with those “if” teasers again …observe where such “if’s” originate from when directed toward the living Son of God, Jesus Christ:

"And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down; for it is written, `He will give his angels charge of you,’"Matthew 4: 3, 6

I will side with Jesus Christ over the voice of man or [fallen] angels any day.

Sanctifying grace is the only fuel that will gain one acces to heaven.

That’s right, you reserve observer status only.

OK. Fine with me for Catholic institutions to make up their own minds. I don’t care.

Describing kids’ behavior is my forte in a thread about high school kids. Is that a problem?

Do we agree my backbone and direction have little to do with gay kids at a Catholic school?

Apparently the backbone and direction these kids get from the Catholic school leaders doesn’t have much effect either. There appears to be a bit of distance between them and their seniors. Why do you think that is?

Let’s face it. Saying Yeshua agees with me on a particular quote does him a disservice.

So, what does confessing beliefs mean? You brought it up.

 

[setter]

That’s a process. How does one determine the opinion resulting from the process is a correct discernment of NL?

I can’t helpbut to notice that you keep repeating the same question …do you struggle with synthesizing (name removed by moderator)ut from the various similiar threads that you are participating?

 

[GreenJeans]

I can’t helpbut to notice that you keep repeating the same question …do you struggle with synthesizing (name removed by moderator)ut from the various similiar threads that you are participating?

I keep repeating the same question because the same claims are being made in various threads. The answers are also just as weak.

 

[setter]

OK. Fine with me for Catholic institutions to make up their own minds. I don’t care.

This sort of resembles an opinion …some improvement.The next step along your process is to begin consolidating opinions and connecting with shared values, then from there to formulate beliefs …then to express these beliefs as in standing for something, anything.

Describing kids’ behavior is my forte in a thread about high school kids. Is that a problem?

I will offer observation only, and reserve for now my interpretations and conclusions.

Do we agree my backbone and direction have little to do with gay kids at a Catholic school?

Or rather evidence of absence there of …

Apparently the backbone and direction these kids get from the Catholic school leaders doesn’t have much effect either. There appears to be a bit of distance between them and their seniors. Why do you think that is?

As I stated before, a lack of proper catechesis and evangelism.

Let’s face it. Saying Yeshua agees with me on a particular quote does him a disservice.

The living Son of God, Jesus Christ does not agree with you …humility in short order these days?

 

[setter]

I keep repeating the same question because the same claims are being made in various threads. The answers are also just as weak.

Then say that, and then recess to ponder “Why is that so many other folks who profess belief are able to grasp what I fail to comprehend or accept?”

 

[GreenJeans]

This sort of resembles an opinion …some improvement.The next step along your process is to begin consolidating opinions and connecting with shared values, then from there to formulate beliefs …then to express these beliefs as in standing for something, anything.

I will offer observation only, and reserve for now my interpretations and conclusions.

Or rather evidence of absence there of …

As I stated before, a lack of proper catechesis and evangelism.

The living Son of God, Jesus Christ does not agree with you …humility in short order these days?

My lack of concern for the adinistration of Cathloic schools is a basis for formig a belief? That is so Kool…

I welcome your observations of my forte and eagerly await your conclusions. When can we expect them?

Sorry. I don’t understand. What are my backbone and direction evidence of?

Do we know the Catholic school was negligent in imparting catechesis and evangelism? That’s a harsh judgement. What if they actually did provide it?

OK. Glad you recognize Yeshua and I don’t agree on the quote you provided. He said it. I didn’t.

So, since we have nothing of substance left to say on gay kids at Catholic schools, what shall we talk about?

 

[GreenJeans]

Then say that, and then recess to ponder “Why is that so many other folks who profess belief are able to grasp what I fail to comprehend or accept?”

Probably because they haven’t asked the really good questions. If they did, they might have the answers.

 

[setter]

My lack of concern for the adinistration of Cathloic schools is a basis for formig a belief? That is so Kool…

I welcome your observations of my forte and eagerly await your conclusions. When can we expect them?

Sorry. I don’t understand. What are my backbone and direction evidence of?

All symptoms of lack of foundational beliefs and moral compass …as I have previously contended.

Do we know the Catholic school was negligent in imparting catechesis and evangelism?

We know that there was negligence …the parents, then the community of believers are responsible, in that order of primacy.

That’s a harsh judgement.

Pointing out the obvious is 'harsh judgment"?

What if they actually did provide it?

It was not adequately provided.

OK. Glad you recognize Yeshua and I don’t agree on the quote you provided. He said it. I didn’t.

The devil said it (in the scripture I cited) and the same ploy, tactics apply …do you believe in spiritual realities?

So, since we have nothing of substance left to say on gay kids at Catholic schools,

Now, why would this be in your estimation?

…what shall we talk about?

I sounds that you are looking for a chat room.

 

[setter]

Probably because they haven’t asked the really good questions. If they did, they might have the answers.

IOW, Catholics do not have the answers. Need I remind you the name of these forums …another erroneous observation on your part?

 

[fix]

How does one determine what set of ideas are absolute truth?

If one can reason one can come to some understanding of the natural law as it is inscribed in our rational nature. We know to do good and avoid evil.

 

[GreenJeans]

All symptoms of lack of foundational beliefs and moral compass …as I have previously contended.

We know that there was negligence …the parents, then the community of believers are responsible, in that order of primacy.

Pointing out the obvious is 'harsh judgment"?

It was not adequately provided.

The devil said it (in the scripture I cited) and the same ploy, tactics apply …do you believe in spiritual realities?

Now, why would this be in your estimation?

I sounds that you are looking for a chat room.

1. If my backbone and direction are evidence of a lack of foundational beliefs, one would have to have knowledge of my backbone and direction. What can you tell us about my backbone and direction?
2. How do we know there was negligence in catechesis and evangelization on the part of the Catholic school?
3. Well, if you quoted the devil, then neither I not Yeshua agree with the quote. On that basis, I suppose we would both be members of the set of people who don’t agree with the quote.
4. I say we have nothing of substance left to say about Catholic schools with gay students because 1) I have nothing of substance left to say, and 2) you aren’t saying anything of substance.
5. This does appear to be a chat room.

 

[GreenJeans]

IOW, Catholics do not have the answers. Need I remind you the name of these forums …another erroneous observation on your part?

Well, I have repeatedly asked a question about how we know a Natural Law opinion is actally a correct discernment of NL. There have been no answers. Therefore, I say nobody in the set of people who are participating in this discussion either know or choose to share the answer.

It’s your speculation that Catholics do not have the answers. Maybe we can settle the question by simply providing an answer?

 

[GreenJeans]

If one can reason one can come to some understanding of the natural law as it is inscribed in our rational nature. We know to do good and avoid evil.

Is “some understanding” of NL sufficient to determine which set of ideas are absolute truth? Absolute is a very high standard, and I question if “some understanding” meets it.

 

[fix]

Is “some understanding” of NL sufficient to determine which set of ideas are absolute truth? Absolute is a very high standard, and I question if “some understanding” meets it.

Truth is more than an idea.

As to your question:

Founded in our nature and revealed to us by our reason, the moral law is known to us in the measure that reason brings a knowledge of it home to our understanding. The question arises: How far can man be ignorant of the natural law…the supreme and primary principles are necessarily known to every one having the actual use of reason. These principles are really reducible to the primary principle which is expressed by St. Thomas in the form: “Do good and avoid evil”. Wherever we find man we find him with a moral code, which is founded on the first principle that good is to be done and evil avoided. When we pass from the universal to more particular conclusions, the case is different. Some follow immediately from the primary, and are so self-evident that they are reached without any complex course of reasoning. Such are, for example: “Do not commit adultery”; “Honour your parents”. No person whose reason and moral nature is ever so little developed can remain in ignorance of such precepts except through his own fault.Another class of conclusions comprises those which are reached only by a more or less complex course of reasoning. These may remain unknown to, or be misinterpreted even by persons whose intellectual development is considerable. To reach these more remote precepts, many facts and minor conclusions must be correctly appreciated, and, in estimating their value, a person may easily err, and consequently, without moral fault, come to a false conclusion…
newadvent.org/cathen/09076a.htm

 

[GreenJeans]

Truth is more than an idea.

As to your question:

If that is the case, when faced with two opinions on NL, how do we determine which is the correct discernment of NL? Let’s say we accept it can be discerned. If so, how do we know it has been correctly discerned?