Mastubation wrong if...

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Okay, but here’s the other thing that gets me:

I’ll go to bed. Be half asleep, fall asleep, and wake up before the process of ejaculation starts. Sometimes I let it just happen: is that a sin? I don’t want to hurt myself by stopping the ejaculation, but unfortunately, I do because I don’t want the “guilt” of having ejaculated while fully conscious. I don’t think Jesus would want me hurting myself just so save some sperm…
 
scapularkid8 said:
Okay, but here’s the other thing that gets me:

I’ll go to bed. Be half asleep, fall asleep, and wake up before the process of ejaculation starts. Sometimes I let it just happen: is that a sin? I don’t want to hurt myself by stopping the ejaculation, but unfortunately, I do because I don’t want the “guilt” of having ejaculated while fully conscious. I don’t think Jesus would want me hurting myself just so save some sperm…
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There’s nothing wrong with spontaneous emissions - whether while completely asleep or not.

The problem is deliberate and active masturbation (stimulation of the genitals - which is sinful whether or not it results in ejaculation!).

Nothing for you to feel guilty about.
 
LilyM said:
Nothing for you to feel guilty about.
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That’s good to know. I was worried because sometimes I’d be half asleep and it just needed to come out. I was feeling guilty about that. I guess there really is no reason to…👍
 
no thats nothing sinful and nothing to feel guilty about. Do not constantly worry, just do not do it actively. Find something else to occupy your mind, before bed that will not lead to sexual thoughts. Pray or read the Bible.
 
Okay but what I am worried about is the fact that this system has to be cleared every once in a while for health purposes. I want to be healthy and I don’t think God would want me to hurt myself so I just wait for the nocturnal emissions or what?
 
scapularkid8 said:
Okay but what I am worried about is the fact that this system has to be cleared every once in a while for health purposes.
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:o That is a fallacy. Don’t worry about it. If you truly need release, the subconscious will take care of it. That’s what all dreams are all about, anyway.:heaven:
 
scapularkid8 said:
so I just wait for the nocturnal emissions or what?
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Have you read Theology of the Body ? If so, what does it say in this regard ?

I’ve got the book on order … but, it has not yet arrived.

I do know that anything we can do to separate pleasure from the release event … will decrease the desire to repeat the act. I’m not saying that attempting to look @ things from the Dualism Philosophical standpoint is the answer. It’s not.

But, don’t let your body get ‘pleasureable’ rewards from the act.
Slowly, over time, if our body is not getting pleasure rewards(reinforcement) … there is less desire to repeat an act (habit).

The real problem is that somewhere around 3-4 weeks … seems to be the real struggle for most Christian men. The tension/pressure buildup in testes/prostate just begs for release.

If we can ever ‘break on thru 2 the other side’ of this time period … eventually the prostate and testes will go semi-dormant, and noctural emmisions will drop in frequency.

Don’t worry about the ‘inactivity effects’ on longterm recovery abilities. The minute you meet the girl of your dreams … thats when the real stuggle begins.
 
Yerusalyim said:
Eghads, let’s scar someone for life…sexual arousal is NOT the problem. When you’re married you want sexual arousal to be associated with pain?

Take a walk, take a cold shower, study algebra…but don’t hurt yourself.
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It is sometimes surprising to me the energy some people will expend in order to justify one disordered appetite or another. Christ recommended cutting off one’s own hand or plucking out one’s own eye if those organs happened to offend. Apart from those few who would attempt to take Sacred Scripture and interpret it into meaninglessness, there is no reason to believe that this advice should not be applied to problems involving the sexuality. In short: if you cannot be made to control your sexuality, then kill it.
 
scapularkid8 said:
I’m so confused about the issue (which I think is what the devil wants). I was told by my parents that it’s okay every once in a while but you just can’t sit around doing it all day. But now I hear stuff about how it’s selfish and you’re just taking all the pleasure of the sexual act for yourself. Both sides make sense. I don’t want to think of my parents as bad people because they told me that because I know they aren’t, but I’m just…confused lol.🙂 🤷
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Their is nothing to be confused about, the church says masturbation is sinfull

Just to restate this is what the church says:

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm#2352
2352 By *masturbation *is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139
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emphasis added.

peace,
 
scapularkid8 said:
I’m so confused about the issue (which I think is what the devil wants). I was told by my parents that it’s okay every once in a while but you just can’t sit around doing it all day. But now I hear stuff about how it’s selfish and you’re just taking all the pleasure of the sexual act for yourself. Both sides make sense. I don’t want to think of my parents as bad people because they told me that because I know they aren’t, but I’m just…confused lol.🙂 🤷
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Frankly, your parents are wrong. Masturbation is a mortal sin and that’s not going to change. That does not mean that they are bad people, though. Good people can be wrong too. Remember that you parents love you unconditionally and are only trying to help you. If you feel comfortabe enough, talk to them about it some more. Research this topic and share it with them.

Back to the OP, it is most certainly a sin to only go part of the way or to try and avoid fantasies. Not only is this likely to end in failure, but it will weaken your resistance towards masturbation and sin in general. As a guy who has gone through this, I know it is difficult. Say the rosary when you feel tempted. Pray to Mary. Who better to help you than the Virgin Mother?
 
So I’m a light sleeper and the issue I had last night that I’m worried about is that I started the “process” and woke up as it was starting. I was semi-conscious and I didn’t really know if I should let it happen or not so I did because I just figured it had to come out regardless of if I were half-awake or asleep because my body had started that on its own. It’s not like I laid down and said “okay time to ejaculate”. I prayed afterwards and kept my mind on God during the act sort of in the spirit of “I don’t want to do anything wrong and I’m confused”. I remember waking up a couple hours later and being fully conscious and comparing that state to the one I was in while it happened and the two were definitely different, but I just don’t want to feel like I’m rationalizing sin. I don’t know if what I did was a sin (well I guess it can’t be mortal since I was trying to reason through whether it was right or wrong).

I’m confused 🤷 . I’ve had repeated urges for that to happen while I’m awake lately so biologically I know it was needed, but what was I supposed to do? I was half awake; and even then, I don’t think I can even count that as “awake” comparing it to how conscious I was after I woke up later and prayed and offered the whole situation to Christ because I wasn’t sure. I was just conscious enough to know what was going on like me telling myself “okay, this is what needs to happen and here it goes”. Before bed I even offered myself to Him and just said "You know my body so much better than I do. If something has to happen tonight, it will happen. If not, that’s that.

Did I sin? Did I do the right thing? Am I trying to justify something wrong?..I didn’t realize sexuality was so complicated until now. I guess now I know what being “created in God’s Image” means. With great power comes great responsibility to add a cheesy quote.
 
The more you obsess with the issue, the more you have trouble with it.

SUDOKU!!!
 
hahaha:rotfl:

I’m actually really good at Sudoku.

But you’re right. I guess I just need to trust that God understands me and my intentions and my self better than I ever could so I guess I just need to move on.
 
Did I sin? Did I do the right thing? Am I trying to justify something wrong?..I didn’t realize sexuality was so complicated until now. I guess now I know what being “created in God’s Image” means. With great power comes great responsibility to add a cheesy quote.
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Saint Augustine held that nocturnal emissions, unlike masturbation, did not pollute the conscience of a man, because they were not voluntary carnal acts, and were therefore not to be considered a sin. Augustine did, however, pray that he may be released from the “glue of lust” and thus recommended the beseechment of God’s assistance in clearing one’s soul of all such carnal affections. Just pray that they don’t happen. You can’t help puberty but nothing can stop you from praying. In order for you to be in mortal sin you must be in FULL awareness of it. If you’re half awake while its happening you are not sinning. It started as a involuntary action. 🙂
 
like a previous postersaid, do not obsess over it. the more you worry, the less chance you will have of over coming it. since you think that you are failing, you are just going to resign yourself to this ‘fact’. pray to the Blessed Mother or her chaste husband Saint Joseph for assistence.
 
scapularkid8 said:
Did I sin? Did I do the right thing? Am I trying to justify something wrong?..I didn’t realize sexuality was so complicated until now. I guess now I know what being “created in God’s Image” means. With great power comes great responsibility to add a cheesy quote.
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I’ve been through the exact same thing. I have avoided this by keeping my life fully focused on other things. Sex doesn’t really cross my mind anymore and I don’t have any nocturnal emissions. Everyone’s body is different, so I don’t know how other people’s bodies have reacted to this. I do think that is the answer, though. Put sex so far out of you daily life that it doesn’t occur to you on a daily basis (hard to do, but possible).
 
Caesar517 said:
Put sex so far out of you daily life that it doesn’t occur to you on a daily basis (hard to do, but possible).
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It’s funny that you say that because that’s how it’s been ever since I quit masturbating about four years ago. All of a sudden I’m being bombarded with sexual temptations. I’m thanking God for it though because just like gold through fire, our soul’s faith can only be tested and become more beautiful in times of temptation and doubt.:bowdown:
 
scapularkid8 said:
Is masturbation wrong if I don’t fantasize while doing it? Just as a release? I have so much sexual tension in me right now and I think I might just explode…no literally it feels physically stressful…
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The answer is no. You’ll be okay. Masturbation is not a sin. It’s only a sin in the doctrine but the Biblical basis for it is actually a lie. Onan did not masturbate. He disobey a law of God and God killed him. It wasn’t for his seed hitting the ground. The Bible says if there is a release of semen you are to bathe. Period, not go to hell.
 
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