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The answer is no. You’ll be okay. Masturbation is not a sin. It’s only a sin in the doctrine but the Biblical basis for it is actually a lie. Onan did not masturbate. He disobey a law of God and God killed him. It wasn’t for his seed hitting the ground. The Bible says if there is a release of semen you are to bathe. Period, not go to hell.
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Onan was punished with death.
Some Evangelicals say his crime was that he did not give his wife children but wasted his seed. Therefore the story about Onan is not about masturbation, they claim. But that is false. These, and you, should study the Mosaic law. There was no death sentence for not giving your wife children. The Bible tells us that such behaviour was to be punished with public humiliation, not death.
Did God then go against the law He had given Moses and let a sudden fit of anger overpower Him so He killed Onan? No, the crime for which Onan payed with his life was obviously not withholding his duty to give children to his wife.
It was something else, and we as Catholics believe that this “something” was spilling his seed on the floor in masturbation without being open to life.
I have as yet to come across a good Evangelical explanation, because the one I have heard so far makes no sense. Maybe since you claim to know the Bible, you can give an actual alternative to the Catholic theory.

Good day to you Radikal 🙂
 
I have as yet to come across a good Evangelical explanation, because the one I have heard so far makes no sense. Maybe since you claim to know the Bible, you can give an actual alternative to the Catholic theory.

Good day to you Radikal 🙂
Sure. First off most of us have masturbated and many of us have done it before we knew it was considered a sin and after. Do you understand God would’ve killed us all by now? Did God specifically not like Onan? The answer is yes!

Even if spilling seed on the ground was an issue this would still be a specific thing and not just someone masturbating because it just wasn’t a sin. The text said:
" 6 Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death."

Okay so we see Er. was wicked but we don’t know why. But God killed him.

"Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” 9

Now look carefully at this: “But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.”

Now if we believe the text is true then according to the text he’d done this multiple times already. But the Bible tells us he did it to keep from producing offspring which was his duty.

“What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so he put him to death also.”

Then check out verse 11, the verse no one wants you to see: "Judah then said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Live as a widow in your father’s house until my son Shelah grows up.” For he thought, “He may die too, just like his brothers.”

There was wickedness in these men. And if you believe masturbation is the sin then is it better that Judah slept with Tamar in verses 15 - 17 because he thought she was a hooker? It says that right in the text.

But let’s find out God’s opinion on the topic. Now if masturbation is a sin punishable by death it would be pretty cruel of God not to tell us right? This is his list of sexual sins. Again this God’s list not my own:

Leviticus 18:6-25

6 “You must never have sexual relations with a close relative, for I am the Lord.

7 “Do not violate your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; you must not have sexual relations with her.

8 “Do not have sexual relations with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father.

9 “Do not have sexual relations with your sister or half sister, whether she is your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born into your household or someone else’s.

10 “Do not have sexual relations with your granddaughter, whether she is your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, for this would violate yourself.

11 “Do not have sexual relations with your stepsister, the daughter of any of your father’s wives, for she is your sister.

12 “Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister, for she is your father’s close relative.

13 “Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “Do not violate your uncle, your father’s brother, by having sexual relations with his wife, for she is your aunt.

15 “Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, so you must not have sexual relations with her.

16 “Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife, for this would violate your brother.

17 “Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. And do not take[a] her granddaughter, whether her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act.

18 “While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her, for they would be rivals.

19 “Do not have sexual relations with a woman during her period of menstrual impurity.

20 “Do not defile yourself by having sexual intercourse with your neighbor’s wife.

21 “Do not permit any of your children to be offered as a sacrifice to Molech, for you must not bring shame on the name of your God. I am the Lord.

22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.

23 “A man must not defile himself by having sex with an animal. And a woman must not offer herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it. This is a perverse act.

24 “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for the people I am driving out before you have defiled themselves in all these ways. 25 Because the entire land has become defiled, I am punishing the people who live there. I will cause the land to vomit them out.

Yep, there you go. That’s the list. As a matter of fact premarital sex wasn’t a sin for men until Christianity which made it a sin for both men and women. The belief masturbation is a sin comes from the Greek word “malakoi arsenokoitai” in I Corinthians 6:9. The problem is, no one knows what this word means. Seriously. The Catholic Church is the only group that believes this sin is masturbation. At first it was considered temple prostitution, (the oldest belief) then masturbation, then homosexuality (which is probably the truth considering homosexuality was already listed as a sin).
 
That’s the list. As a matter of fact premarital sex wasn’t a sin for men until Christianity which made it a sin for both men and women. The belief masturbation is a sin comes from the Greek word “malakoi arsenokoitai” in I Corinthians 6:9. The problem is, no one knows what this word means. Seriously. The Catholic Church is the only group that believes this sin is masturbation. At first it was considered temple prostitution, (the oldest belief) then masturbation, then homosexuality (which is probably the truth considering homosexuality was already listed as a sin).
Interesting ! So, just because this Leviticus list doesn’t mention prostitution with a Virgin girl … you think its OK ?

Also, if it were OK to masturbate at will … I think some men might be less inclined to marry. Now Paul told the new Christians it would be better to remain unmarried … but, I don’t think he had this in mind.
 
Yeah… Paul also said: its better for a man to marry than to burn with desire.

He might as well go deal with his desire by himself, according to you, no?

This is not normally good Catholic apologetics… but I’d say: since I was 12 years old and puperty started I have always been repulsed at the thought of women and men touching themselves and I knew that I would violate my own purity and chastity if I did it. Since I became a Christian a lot of things make sense to me about why my normal inner sense of dignity told me to do something else than what society suggested on many aspects. Masturbation was one of them.
The Holy Spirit has very clearly spoken in my heart about this. I would be very ashamed, if, with Jesus my Lord here in my room, I were to start touching myself and reliesing my sexual tension manually infront of Him.
The Holy Spirit also witnesses with the Church that such behaviour is bad for people. And dont you go telling me its only Catholics that hold this truth. Indeed I have protestant as well as Evangelical friends whom the Holy Spirit told to stop this sin… for they were sinning against God, their own chastity and against the marriage they were called to eventually live in.

As for the Leviticus Scriptures… Thank you. Thats a helpful list which is also accessable to anyone here.

Why has not the Lord struck you with death? Because He gives you, and me, a chance to repent… just like He did with Sodom and Gomorra… I talk to you with firmness because you claim the name of Jesus on you.
Its the Blood of Christ that saves sinners and calls for repentance.

I still hold to my interpretation of the Onan-passage… Your explanation was not suffiecient… and of course we agree that its the vile intent and evil heart in man that draws the wrath of God… But this evilness shows it self through action as well.

Shalom.
 
I’ve been through the exact same thing. I have avoided this by keeping my life fully focused on other things. Sex doesn’t really cross my mind anymore and I don’t have any nocturnal emissions. Everyone’s body is different, so I don’t know how other people’s bodies have reacted to this. I do think that is the answer, though. Put sex so far out of you daily life that it doesn’t occur to you on a daily basis (hard to do, but possible).
Sorry, but I disagree. Sexuality is a gift from God, and often times, we as men think that when temptation arises, we have two options. (Giving credit where credit is due, I am stealing much of this from Christopher West.) The first option is to fight the temptation. We soon realize that this effort is futile. We can go a day, a week, a month, a year, maybe longer simply fighting temptation. Paraphrasing your post, “Putting sex so far out of our daily lives that it doesn’t occur to us on a daily basis.” The other option is to indulge in our desire and to give in. JPII says that eventually, if we repress our sexual desire so much that it will soon become to strong to bear and will explode with very damaging consequences. The third option, that we often forget about, is to redeem our lustful desires and to crucify them on the cross with Christ.

In our attempt to avoid sin, we will often throw the baby out with the bath water. Sex is a wonderful, beautiful thing. I am preparing to become a priest, and without a doubt the hardest part for me is to give up sex precisely because I realize how great it is. We should not push something so good away. That does not mean that we have to indulge our lustful desires, however.

I can’t speak for every man, but personally, I go through peaks and valleys in the spiritual life. I will sometimes feel like I’m on a jet going to the heights of divine intimacy with the Lord. Other times, I feel like I’m just going through the motions and simply trying to follow the rules. It’s easy to say no to sin when we are in the heights of contemplation. It’s hard when we are in modes of desolation. But, it’s in these times when we must give our temptations over to Christ and ask him to redeem them and to make them pure. To untwist our twisted desire. All sin is simply a distortion of something good. So, masturbation takes a good desire, to unite intimately with one’s wife, and twists it. Christ can untwist that desire. The devil is powerless to create anything. All he can do is take what God has created good and distort it.

I commend the OP for being able to go four years without giving in to this sin. That is truly awesome! Keep fighting those temptations, but not simply saying, “Don’t do it, don’t do it, don’t do it!” Say instead, “Lord, I have this desire and it is at its root, a holy desire that you have given me to unite with my wife in order to image the love between you and your Son, and between Christ and His bride, the Church. My sinful nature is distorting this good desire, so I beg you to untwist my lust and make it holy and pure again. I beg you to help me appreciate your sacred gift of sexuality. I give this temptation to you and ask you to nail it to the cross so that my natural desire may also be redeemed.”

Fight the good fight brother. One thing that often helps me, by the way, is the use of holy water. When I feel tempted, I will bless myself with holy water. Sacramentals are very powerful. Let us pray for one another!
 
Fight the good fight brother. One thing that often helps me, by the way, is the use of holy water. When I feel tempted, I will bless myself with holy water. Sacramentals are very powerful. Let us pray for one another!
They are really helpful! After my struggles with the sin, I started wearing a Brown Scapular, a crucifix, a St. Benedict’s medal, a Holy Face medal, and carry a Rosary with me. These help not only for the actual graces they’re providing me as an outward sign of an inward prayer request, but just having them gives me a sense of protection and holiness.
 
Sorry, but I disagree. Sexuality is a gift from God, and often times, we as men think that when temptation arises, we have two options. (Giving credit where credit is due, I am stealing much of this from Christopher West.) The first option is to fight the temptation. We soon realize that this effort is futile. We can go a day, a week, a month, a year, maybe longer simply fighting temptation. Paraphrasing your post, “Putting sex so far out of our daily lives that it doesn’t occur to us on a daily basis.” The other option is to indulge in our desire and to give in. JPII says that eventually, if we repress our sexual desire so much that it will soon become to strong to bear and will explode with very damaging consequences. The third option, that we often forget about, is to redeem our lustful desires and to crucify them on the cross with Christ.

In our attempt to avoid sin, we will often throw the baby out with the bath water. Sex is a wonderful, beautiful thing. I am preparing to become a priest, and without a doubt the hardest part for me is to give up sex precisely because I realize how great it is. We should not push something so good away. That does not mean that we have to indulge our lustful desires, however.

I can’t speak for every man, but personally, I go through peaks and valleys in the spiritual life. I will sometimes feel like I’m on a jet going to the heights of divine intimacy with the Lord. Other times, I feel like I’m just going through the motions and simply trying to follow the rules. It’s easy to say no to sin when we are in the heights of contemplation. It’s hard when we are in modes of desolation. But, it’s in these times when we must give our temptations over to Christ and ask him to redeem them and to make them pure. To untwist our twisted desire. All sin is simply a distortion of something good. So, masturbation takes a good desire, to unite intimately with one’s wife, and twists it. Christ can untwist that desire. The devil is powerless to create anything. All he can do is take what God has created good and distort it.

I commend the OP for being able to go four years without giving in to this sin. That is truly awesome! Keep fighting those temptations, but not simply saying, “Don’t do it, don’t do it, don’t do it!” Say instead, “Lord, I have this desire and it is at its root, a holy desire that you have given me to unite with my wife in order to image the love between you and your Son, and between Christ and His bride, the Church. My sinful nature is distorting this good desire, so I beg you to untwist my lust and make it holy and pure again. I beg you to help me appreciate your sacred gift of sexuality. I give this temptation to you and ask you to nail it to the cross so that my natural desire may also be redeemed.”

Fight the good fight brother. One thing that often helps me, by the way, is the use of holy water. When I feel tempted, I will bless myself with holy water. Sacramentals are very powerful. Let us pray for one another!
Those were great words and I pray that your vocation touches many lives. You speak the truth and possess great insight…God Bless…teachccd 🙂
 
There is much misinformation regarding this topic.

First, there is no medical or health need that suggests that a man needs to “flush the system”. That is a myth. People who suggest this or either uninformed or lying in an attempt to justify the behavior.

But more to the point. When is masturbation wrong? The simple, yet complete, answer is masturbation is wrong only when you either do it or want to do it. Period. See post #44 from Buc_Fan for an excellent summary about this.
 
"The prostate produces a fluid that is incorporated into ejaculation, which activates sperm and prevents them from sticking together. Studies on animals have shown that carcinogens

like 3-methylchloranthrene can be harboured in the prostate. Frequent ejaculation encourages the cancer-inducing fluids to “flush out.” "

It’s somewhat silly not to acknowledge the research. The Catholic Church has recreated the physiology of sex into some good vs. evil thing. It looks like Nature doesn’t agree with the Church.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Masturbation_checks_prostate_cancer/articleshow/2987027.cms
 
The third option, that we often forget about, is to redeem our lustful desires and to crucify them on the cross with Christ.
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. But, it’s in these times when we must give our temptations over to Christ and ask him to redeem them and to make them pure. To untwist our twisted desire. All sin is simply a distortion of something good. So, masturbation takes a good desire, to unite intimately with one’s wife, and twists it. Christ can untwist that desire. The devil is powerless to create anything. All he can do is take what God has created good and distort it.

I commend the OP for being able to go four years without giving in to this sin. That is truly awesome! Keep fighting those temptations, but not simply saying, “Don’t do it, don’t do it, don’t do it!” Say instead, "Lord, I have this desire and it is at its root, a holy desire that you have given me to unite with my wife in order to image the love between you and your Son, and between Christ and His bride, the Church. My sinful nature is distorting this good desire, so I beg you to untwist my lust and make it holy and pure again. I beg you to help me appreciate your sacred gift of sexuality. I give this temptation to you and ask you to nail it to the cross so that my natural desire may also be redeemed."

Fight the good fight brother. One thing that often helps me, by the way, is the use of holy water. When I feel tempted, I will bless myself with holy water. Sacramentals are very powerful. Let us pray for one another!
Thank you Buc_Fan,

I am a single mom raising teenage boys. Their dad is protestant.
Let’s just say that half their influence is pretty “twisted.”

Thanks for this reminder. I pray that I will be able to effectively share this message with my boys. They are open to things of the Lord. I pray that their memory of me isn’t this broken record always saying, “NO, NO, NO!” But they remember the message, “Be redeemed.” :gopray:
 
I’m wondering if I’m being too scrupulous about this but please be patient. Last night I remember being awake, and semi-conscious and I remember feeling the urge to “start” and I hesitated but then I gave in and went but after a few seconds I started praying because I felt like I had let the process begin and that I was sinning. Was it mortal if I started to pray and tried to stop? I don’t remember anything after that. I guess I fell back asleep.
 
I’m wondering if I’m being too scrupulous about this but please be patient. Last night I remember being awake, and semi-conscious and I remember feeling the urge to “start” and I hesitated but then I gave in and went but after a few seconds I started praying because I felt like I had let the process begin and that I was sinning. Was it mortal if I started to pray and tried to stop? I don’t remember anything after that. I guess I fell back asleep.
Yes, you are being scrupulous. You did what was right. We are human and these things happen…Let God love us as He made us and give Him some credit for understanding our situations. You prayed and you stopped. He knows that…teachccd 🙂
 
What works for me when I get sexual tension is I meditate on the Passion of Jesus Christ. Then the tension goes down, and I give thanks to the Lord. Sometimes a certain position helps, as well, like laying or sitting or standing or kneeling, while I’m meditating.
 
It is sometimes surprising to me the energy some people will expend in order to justify one disordered appetite or another. Christ recommended cutting off one’s own hand or plucking out one’s own eye if those organs happened to offend. Apart from those few who would attempt to take Sacred Scripture and interpret it into meaninglessness, there is no reason to believe that this advice should not be applied to problems involving the sexuality. In short: if you cannot be made to control your sexuality, then kill it.
There was a man who felt the same way and he cut his penis off and was taken to the emergency room.
The surgeons sewed it back on but maybe they should not have.
 
Is masturbation wrong if I don’t fantasize while doing it? Just as a release? I have so much sexual tension in me right now and I think I might just explode…no literally it feels physically stressful…
Yes, it is wrong regardless of what reason you try to put on it. You are struggling with a very tough issue for a lot of men.
Fantasy or not, you should do everything in your power to over come your troubles.

Your not going to explode in know you know this, but one of the things that i found that is good for the tension and the hormones that you are dealing with is to exercise or lift weights or join a sports team. And never forget to pray to Saint Joseph and Our Lady
 
Hey scapularkid8:
Most of the posts here are excellent, but the one that really illustrates my point is the one that said something about obsessing about it.

As someone who struggled with masturbation in the past, I can say from experience that it isn’t easy and it is just that…a struggle. How I overcame was that when I was tempted, I just declared out loud for Satan to get out of my thoughts and called on the Holy Spirit to come and fill my heart. Then I also started to visualize Jesus watching me and being saddened at what I was doing. Oh, sure, I know He still loves me, but the guilt I felt wasn’t worth that few seconds of pleasure.

There is a Catholic speaker/author named Mark Hart a.k.a. The Bible Geek at www.lifeteen.com, who writes in a column with advice for young people on the subject. If you have time, check it out…his answers may also help you.

Bottom line: It is sinful. No need to rationalize it with thoughts of “medically necessary” or “not fantasizing”, etc… The ends do not justify the means…

The good news…you CAN and WILL overcome it. Take it from me…living proof!

And as a sidenote: make sure you get to confession and wash that soul of yours clean! 👍 Make a new start!

You will be in my prayers…Good Luck!
 
And yah, you are being a tad scrupulous about it ;)

You seem to already know what’s right and wrong within your heart… but more importantly…so does God!

So, listen to your heart, which is God speaking to you in volumes!
 
"The prostate produces a fluid that is incorporated into ejaculation, which activates sperm and prevents them from sticking together. Studies on animals have shown that carcinogens

like 3-methylchloranthrene can be harboured in the prostate. Frequent ejaculation encourages the cancer-inducing fluids to “flush out.” "

It’s somewhat silly not to acknowledge the research. The Catholic Church has recreated the physiology of sex into some good vs. evil thing. It looks like Nature doesn’t agree with the Church.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Masturbation_checks_prostate_cancer/articleshow/2987027.cms
I have read some articles linking the lack of ejac. to prostate cancer…but I think it’s a stretch to be able to really pin point that–I mean…I don’t know of anyone who died for lack of sex…or sexual pleasure. Now, The RCC does make a note that there are times when maturity, anxiety, habits, etc are to be taken into account, but again–that would be during Confession. So, either way…it’s the morality of the ‘habit’ that comes into question, so it’s best to just confess this, if you struggle with it. Frequent confession for a variety of sins can really help one to overcome them…for example, I have learned to really get a grip on worrying, after confessing so much.😊 I imagine the same can hold true for really any sin we struggle with.

But, although I don’t discount medical research on the matter, I don’t believe anyone’s deaths in the past could be linked to this.
 
"The prostate produces a fluid that is incorporated into ejaculation, which activates sperm and prevents them from sticking together. Studies on animals have shown that carcinogens

like 3-methylchloranthrene can be harboured in the prostate. Frequent ejaculation encourages the cancer-inducing fluids to “flush out.” "

It’s somewhat silly not to acknowledge the research. The Catholic Church has recreated the physiology of sex into some good vs. evil thing. It looks like Nature doesn’t agree with the Church.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Masturbation_checks_prostate_cancer/articleshow/2987027.cms
If a man drinks green tea and takes saw palmetto–the same effects can be had…‘flushing’ isn’t absolutely necessary. Although, one could argue…well, God created us with instincts, biological desires, peaks, etc…so wouldn’t He be tolerant of this? God loves US, but not the sin–so I believe that He looks at our human frailness, excuses, sinful nature, etc as a weakness that can only be repaired through consistent confession, and clinging to Him for repentance.:o
 
I’ve had problems with the masturbation habit, and have over the course of a year gradually been able to gain power over the habit. Not perfectly, but it’s progress nonetheless.

In looking into the Courage website (I’ve got homosexual friends that need help) I came across the following article: couragerc.net/PIPMasturbation.html. This article is pure genius, srsly.

Listen to this:
(1) "Adults are often moved to masturbate by "boredom, anxiety, and loneliness.“Such is a sign of immaturity in that the adult seeks intimacy with others only in fantasy rather than reaching into the real world towards other humans.” Um, yep that’s me.

(2) “[T]hose who live ‘highly cerebral lives, from the neck up,’ as candidates for masturbation, because of their yearning to live ‘from the neck down.’” Ha! Yeah, that’s totally me too.

There’s lots of other great stuff in that article. One of the main points is that the masturbator is searching for affection within a fantasy world because he (or she) is not willing (for whatever reason) to take the time to work on real, messy relationships with real people. Not only that, but living in this fantasy world gets in the way of our relationship with God: God is not fantasy, so you can’t find Him there. Get out of your head dummy! 😃

To buc_fan33:
You are SO right. I am overjoyed that someone like you is training in Seminary right now. We need such thinking to help clarify to our youth that sex and sexuality are not in themselves bad, rather a gift from God. Instead, it is letting ones desires get the better of them which is wrong, which can be said for all sin.
It’s somewhat silly not to acknowledge the research. The Catholic Church has recreated the physiology of sex into some good vs. evil thing. It looks like Nature doesn’t agree with the Church.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Masturbation_checks_prostate_cancer/articleshow/2987027.cms
LOL? Well, if the Times of India quoting the BBC says so, I guess I’ll just chuck all my thinking and beliefs right out the window. There needs to be a :dismissive: smilie.

Don’t be naive adamsapple. “Researchers” change their “findings” every single day as they “discover something new.” This is no doubt one more piece of convenient “science” used to justify sick behavior. I’ll wait until there’s real, honest-to-God research instead of soundbites and press releases from researchers desperate to get funding.

RANT:
Did I mention that the world of academe is a complete sham? If you don’t pump out “knowledge” in a continous stream, you get dropped. Period. I’ve talked with many professors about this, and (especially if they don’t have tenure) they are continually worried about being able to take care of their families and earn a living. Such work conditions are RIPE for intellectual abuse. Academics are not tireless, noble, unbiased searchers of the truth. They are weak and worried human beings just like us all, but with more technical knowledge and perhaps not a few more brain cells.
 
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