Mastubation wrong if...

[scapularkid8]

Above all don’t expect such an ingrained habit to disappear overnight. Focus on going one day, then two days, then longer, without it.

Yeah, I’m about at the one week point. And trust me that’s like amazing compared to how I was a month ago. God is Great.

 

[thomfra]

I recommend a form of aversion therapy that is often prescribed to sexual offenders. Wear a rubber band around your wrist and snap it whenever you experience sexual arousal. In time, you will learn to associate pain with such arousal and the urge to masturbate will diminish.

Just the trick for a happy healthy sex life 10 years from now.

 

[funnyyetsavvy]

Masturbation is only wrong if you do it or want to do it.

rpp, I have a question about this…

It makes sense, but then I thought for Catholics it was ok if they are married and the act ends inside the wife? Or am I wrong? Or is it that only a wife stimulating a husband or vise versa with a finish inside the wife is acceptable?

Trying to figure it out…

 

[rpp]

rpp, I have a question about this…

It makes sense, but then I thought for Catholics it was ok if they are married and the act ends inside the wife? Or am I wrong? Or is it that only a wife stimulating a husband or vise versa with a finish inside the wife is acceptable?

Trying to figure it out…

You are correct. In *general, *any act is permissible as long as the intent is that it concludes, umm, (let’s see, this is a family forum…) in the, umm, traditional manner. Of course “accidents” can happen, but they must really be accidents.

Auto eroticism (masturbation which is a solo activity) is always wrong in all forms under all circumstances.

 

[Traques]

I didnt read the whole thread and I’m new here. However, I would like to mention that if you don’t masturbate… you will eventually have a dream where you will fantasize (And this is beyond your control) and then have nocturnal emissions.

 

[funnyyetsavvy]

You are correct. In *general, *any act is permissible as long as the intent is that it concludes, umm, (let’s see, this is a family forum…) in the, umm, traditional manner. Of course “accidents” can happen, but they must really be accidents.

Auto eroticism (masturbation which is a solo activity) is always wrong in all forms under all circumstances.

Thanks rpp,

I should have clarified I was thinking of situations where perhaps a spouse is disabled or something, so someone might need to ‘get the ball rolling’ as they say…

But your answer is what I thought, and I thank you…

 

[Starchild]

Nowhere in the bible does it say it is wrong! Your choice is pretty much masturbate or procreate. By human nature we are sexual beings, created as such by God himself. We would not have these urges if God did not give them to us. If we pent up our desires, we are more likely to succumb to other means of release, some of which can be violence towards others. Do what you got to do. If you believe that it’s evil, than you really don’t have to do it, but I doubt you’ll be bannished to Hell just for doing what comes natural.

(following was written by a youth pastor of over 20 years)

It cannot be clearly said that the act of masturbation is in itself a sin, for the Bible never uses the word, nor does it imply or hint about the act of masturbation.

There are no Biblical passages which specifically address the issue of masturbation, and so, as with other issues (such as food, drink, entertainment choices, etc.), God has allowed a latitude within certain boundaries. Within those boundaries, masturbation could (and I believe, should) be seen as a healthy way of relieving sexual tensions which build up in those who do not have the option of marital relations as a way of easing the physical need. For purposes of this paper, we will be focusing our attention on the use of masturbation as a God-given way for teenage boys to release the buildup of sexual tensions within their bodies, and as a help to controlling their thought life and honoring God with their minds and bodies. But it should also be noted that the principles about masturbation which are discussed here would also be appropriate to be applied to females as well as males.

TEENAGE BOYS: HORMONE FACTORIES

In a human male’s lifespan, there are two times when the hormone testosterone is released by his body in large quantities. The first is prenatal, when a genetically determined testosterone release transforms the fetus into a boy. The other occurs roughly somewhere between the ages of 9 and 14. This testosterone release helps to transform the body of the boy into the body of a man. Because of the influence of the testosterone and other growth hormones, the boy experiences a growth spurt, broadening of the shoulders and other major muscular-skeletal changes, a deepening of the voice (which leads to the familiar teenage “cracking” of the voice), hair growth on the face and underarm areas, and maturing (in size and function) of the penis, testicles, and other sexual organs.

This testosterone “flood” is also largely responsible for the sudden interest in and discovery of a boy’s sex drive. Not only is his body changing at a rapid pace, but also his mind is being drawn into areas that may have been previously unexplored or only hinted at in conversations with other boys. If they are not adequately prepared (which is a God-given responsibilityIf boys are not adequately prepared puberty, the mind/body changes can be overwhelming and even frightening. of the parents and church to do-not the schools!), then the mind/body changes can be overwhelming and even frightening. For boys who have committed to follow Christ in their lives, this flood of emotions and thoughts and feelings can also carry with it a load of guilt and shame that they may perceive as coming from God-yet at the same time, since the sex drive is so strong and the physical tensions so great, they find their thoughts straying into areas that they know to be wrong, but which they cannot seem to stop thinking of. And a double burden can then be imposed when this Christian boy discovers the pleasures of masturbation and then feels guilty and ashamed for doing what he believes is a sin (since nobody ever told him otherwise), and yet which is something that he finds himself basically powerless to overcome.

I believe it is the responsibility of parents and the church to offer to these young men (and young women as well, whose sex drive can be just as strong) a sane and workable alternative to the question of masturbation-something other than a “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, and also something other than “just say no.” We must help them see that what is happening to their bodies is designed by God and that what they are thinking and feeling and doing are acceptable to God within the boundaries He has set, and indeed, should be encouraged as a means to regulate and control themselves so that they can glorify God with their bodies.

To Read full text go here:

themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/app/masturbation/mastsin.shtml

 

[Feste_1242]

Nowhere in the bible does it say it is wrong!

No, but it does in the Catechism:

**2352 **By *masturbation *is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”

By human nature we are sexual beings, created as such by God himself. We would not have these urges if God did not give them to us. If we pent up our desires, we are more likely to succumb to other means of release, some of which can be violence towards others. Do what you got to do. If you believe that it’s evil, than you really don’t have to do it, but I doubt you’ll be bannished to Hell just for doing what comes natural.

God created us with flaws. It is immoral to yield to these. The whole point of humans being prone to sin is that God wants us to build the strength to be able to fight it. For only if we fight sin may we be worthy to enter His Kingdom. In other words, our weakness (natural inclination to sin) is simply a test. Just because it’s part of our nature doesn’t make it morally permissible.

 

[Starchild]

No, but it does in the Catechism:

God created us with flaws. It is immoral to yield to these. The whole point of humans being prone to sin is that God wants us to build the strength to be able to fight it. For only if we fight sin may we be worthy to enter His Kingdom. In other words, our weakness (natural inclination to sin) is simply a test. Just because it’s part of our nature doesn’t make it morally permissible.

FYI, not to be rude, but humanity didn’t think it was wrong until John Kellogg decided it was so. Mankind has always manipulated the bible and words of God to create their own rules and views. Masturbation is not a sin, neither is a bunch of other things the churches (no matter which ones) have stated in the last few centuries. God created 10 commandments, not the milions of commandments mankind insists there are! Had he wanted more, he would have imposed more. The rest is manipulation of man by man so that we can believe what they want us to believe and nothing else! Wake up and stop believing the lies they spoon feed us daily. if one does not masturbate, they can become violent towards others, it is an emotional release as natural as crying or laughing. Mankind was made for procreation, to deny onesself is against Gods plan. The bible is God’s words, not what the priest imposed later on!

 

[R_McGeddon]

Originally Posted by Starchild
Nowhere in the bible does it say it is wrong!

No, but it does in the Catechism:

But the catechism could quite easily be wrong.

Can someone answer this?

Women have the ability to achieve orgasm, becoming pregnant does not rely on it, and according to agony aunts in newspapers it is not necessary for a satisfying sex life. These very agony aunts are also quite emphatic that for most women to reach orgasm, extra stimulation is the only way to achieve it. It is also worth noting, that the area that needs stimulating, exists for no other purpose than to give a woman an orgasm.

With this in mind, why do women have this ability? Orgasm for women is purely for pleasure not for precreation. There are some cultures in the world that carry out female-circumcision, they believe that the pleasure is purely for the men. I doubt very much that anyone here would find this acceptable.

As this is the way women are, how could it be considered wrong?

 

[Thobe]

say a rosary. A couple, when you get the urge. Ask Mary for help. Ask God for help. You will get it.

God Bless you in your conquests.

 

[stringbeanduck]

Nowhere in the bible does it say it is wrong! Your choice is pretty much masturbate or procreate. By human nature we are sexual beings, created as such by God himself. We would not have these urges if God did not give them to us. If we pent up our desires, we are more likely to succumb to other means of release, some of which can be violence towards others

Actually if you read the bible you would find many bible verses that forbid sexual immorality and that our bodies are temples of the Lord.

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. (1 Corinthians 6:18)

You have heard that it was said to those of old, “You shall not commit adultery.” But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:27-28)

Therefore those who think about women while masturbating are undoubtedly sinning, making them sexually immoral.

And for those who do it without thinking of women do so with lust and disire for a release. Many verses in the bible teach us that we can overcome any temptation by having faith and obedience toward Him.

In gennisis 38 Onan purposely spilt his seed on the ground because he did not want to contribute to his brothers linage. Doing this greatly offended the Lord. Onan desired to waste his seed rather than procreate. Masturbating is purposely wasting ones own seed to fulfill their desire.

 

[jfoges]

Most people here have no idea what they are talking about. You can’t claim something is morally wrong becuase of some obscure passage in the new Orange Catechism. The Catechism is not infallible by any means. As it is not dogma. It is an authentic teaching of the Pope, but hardly qualifies as an infallible teaching of the ordinary magisterium. You really need to use common sense on this one. Use your head. C’mon.

 

[Ruthie]

The sixth commandment states “you shall not commit adultery.”

The Catechism is quite right to teach against masturbation. If my husband masturbates, he is cheating on me with himself. He is committing adultery.

And, yes, you can commit adultery before you are married, because you are cheating on your future spouse.

In spite of what this western culture tries to teach, sexual release is not the be-all and end-all of life.

Ruthie

 

[Julian_Peters]

Thank you to all who have participated. This thread is now closed.