Masturbathe is a sin?

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kage_ar said:
The “everybody else does it” justification did not work with my dad when I was a kid, and it does not work here. Other people sin, that does not give me a license to do the same.
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WE ARE ALL SINNERS!
 
In addition, to sin with the idea of “I can just go to confession” is in itself the sin - the sin of presumption.

Look at it like this. I have health insurance. The doctors will treat me if I am injured. Does this mean I should not take care of my body, not eat good food and exercise, maybe go jump off roofs and risk injury - heck, I can go to the hospital.

The Sacrament of Reconcilliation is there for when, in spite of trying, we fail. It does not mean we toss our hands up in the air and say “God knows I’m gonna sin, so I’m just gonna wallow in it”.
 
Methodi said:
WE ARE ALL SINNERS!
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We are all born into sin, we Christians have been raised to be a new creature. We are all called to be Saints and to work toward heaven.

When we fall, and are truely sorry, God will forgive us our sin and then we go back to striving toward heaven.
 
kage_ar said:
We are all born into sin, we Christians have been raised to be a new creature. We are all called to be Saints and to work toward heaven.

When we fall, and are truely sorry, God will forgive us our sin and then we go back to striving toward heaven.
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Exactly, & God knows that we will fail again & again, when I go to confession, I see older people there , so they are old & still sinning, like myself, as long as we are on earth we will sin, no doubt. God knows our hearts, & that we are weak. All he asks is that we try
 
edjco said:
Theistgal was being clever! (You missspellledd the word).
Anyway, yes, according to the Catechism, it is a sin, although it depends on certain things as to how severe a sin it is. Here’s what the CCC says:

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”
To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
What I would suggest you do is talk to your priest about it during confession. He should be able to guide you further.
Hope this helps!
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Can someone explain this above quote to me in regard to the CC.

I have had a problem with this area of my life for some time and it was not until this year when I became a Catholic that I become so aware of the sinful nature. It is basically the main thing I end up going to Confession to at least once every other week.

I am considering going to professional therapy with this issue because it is rooted with porn addiction. I am really beat down by this and don’t feel Gods love for me even though I really want to stop the behavior. I get so sick of myself and don’t even want to go to Confession because I know I will do it again.

Does God really know that I hate what I do even though I keep doing it and want to obey His Church teachings?

Thanks for letting me rant.

Signed, Broken Spirit Catholic who needs help
 
teadough said:
Can someone explain this above quote to me in regard to the CC.

I have had a problem with this area of my life for some time and it was not until this year when I became a Catholic that I become so aware of the sinful nature. It is basically the main thing I end up going to Confession to at least once every other week.

I am considering going to professional therapy with this issue because it is rooted with porn addiction. I am really beat down by this and don’t feel Gods love for me even though I really want to stop the behavior. I get so sick of myself and don’t even want to go to Confession because I know I will do it again.

Does God really know that I hate what I do even though I keep doing it and want to obey His Church teachings?

Thanks for letting me rant.

Signed, Broken Spirit Catholic who needs help
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You are trying, & that is all God asks, do U realize how many people struggle with same sins a lifetime, ur not alone.God knows your heart is in the right place:)He also Knows that man is weak
 
Artemus86 said:
Is this an act of sin?
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No. In fact, most of us do it daily. To bathe oneself is fully authorized by the Catholic Church. Bathing ‘certain’ others, however, could definitely qualify as sinful, depending on circumstances and motives.
 
Well I can see how male masturbation is a sin (wasting of the seed) but is it just as bad for us females?
 
Christine_Lee said:
Well I can see how male masturbation is a sin (wasting of the seed) but is it just as bad for us females?
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Yes. “Wasting of seed,” is not the reasoning for the sinfulness of masturbation.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm#II
2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139
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Methodi said:
That pertains to fornication, which in a way I dont even think thats sinful, my opinion only, but if I should commit it I will confess it. Again, God Knows man is weak, He knows man cannot control himself, again , thats why he sacrificed his Son for our sins, & the sins of all mankind. When You we look at life, & look at men & women, you can see that they were not meant to sit around with halos & twiddle their thumbs. We all go thru different stages of life, where we all do different sins, I think its suposed to be. I once heard a Priest say man is not as bad as he thinks he is, the greatest commandment is to love one another as I have loved you, only my opinion
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Since when does it matter what any one of us thinks? We have the scriptures and tradition. If what we think runs counter, then our thinking is disordered.
 
kage_ar said:
Let’s say you buy an expensive device. The instructions that come with the device, that are written by the designer of the device, tell you that you will ruin the device if you use it underwater. You think it should be used underwater, so, you use it underwater. You ruin the device. Do you go back and say “but it should not be that way. I should be able to use this however I want.” That would be silly. The designer KNOWS how the system will work, and what will ruin it.

God designed the human person, He knows how our sexuality is to be used. It is best to follow the manufacturers instructions, or you will ruin the device and void the warranty.
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i like that explanation 👍
 
CWBetts said:
Since when does it matter what any one of us thinks? We have the scriptures and tradition. If what we think runs counter, then our thinking is disordered.
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Because we have minds to sort things out
 
Methodi said:
That pertains to fornication, which in a way I dont even think thats sinful, my opinion only, but if I should commit it I will confess it. Again, God Knows man is weak, He knows man cannot control himself, again , thats why he sacrificed his Son for our sins, & the sins of all mankind. When You we look at life, & look at men & women, you can see that they were not meant to sit around with halos & twiddle their thumbs. We all go thru different stages of life, where we all do different sins, I think its suposed to be. I once heard a Priest say man is not as bad as he thinks he is, the greatest commandment is to love one another as I have loved you, only my opinion
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We have been set free FROM sin, not TO sin.

Yes, man is weak in the flesh. He is strong in the Spirit.

The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God… Therefore brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Romans 6 and 8 have wonderful things to say about how we are to walk and think and submit ESPECIALLY when we are weak.
 
BPW75 said:
We have been set free FROM sin, not TO sin.

Yes, man is weak in the flesh. He is strong in the Spirit.

The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God… Therefore brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Romans 6 and 8 have wonderful things to say about how we are to walk and think and submit ESPECIALLY when we are weak.
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Not true, I dont believe that, we cant live in this mortal world without sinning
 
kage_ar said:
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It is astounding, but GOD knows this and the Bible speaks to that very thing :eek: :eek: :eek:

1 Corinthians, Chapter 7:

8** Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do,**
9** but if they cannot exercise self-control they should marry, for it is better to marry than to be on fire.**
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Regarding the 9** part… This makes even more sense to me than the whole “sin of Onan” from the Old Testament aspect of masturbation. Since God is in charge, (not us) we need to make a sincere best effort to resist doing this. Masturbation is always a matter for confession.
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This was a perfect opportunity for us to detour away from yet ANOTHER discussion of masturbation. But, as usual, many of us just couldn’t resist the temptation to dive into it…again. Why are we Catholics so darned obsessed with masturbation???:mad:
 
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